RNG Legs?

Pahluwans are not free, and never have been. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost

As for all these people sayin which leg piece is best... my personal advice would be to ignore everything you've just read here lol. I say this because there is no single 'best' leg piece for ranger... it's always going to vary based on the user, target, strategy, food, other gear, and specific action. Oh right, welcome to like every piece of gear ever created in FFXI.

Good rule of thumb when choosing equipment for any slot on Ranger is going to be use R.Acc for regular TP shots, heavy STR+ and R.Att for weapon skills, and back to R.Acc for Barrages. Obviously, you can mix and match during these phases to accomodate for larger amounts of R.Acc or R.Att based on your target. It's also become common for many Rangers to utilize heavy Store TP setups during certain events (Dynamis, Einherjar) where WS spams are more effective than straight DoT through ranged attacks (like many HNM fights).

It's always going to vary... surprised people still havent figured this out yet after 8 years lol

Because of the update, people will be subbing SAM a lot more... Making those going for an X hit build more and more common. Not raising that as an argument, just throwing it out there. =)

I can't imagine ever subbing WAR again. Sekkanoki is just too incredible, lol.

Edit: Had the same post twice...

W/ 30% AGI mod, oily pushes the acc past dusk's acc -- but only for ws, like I said. Don't tp in them.

Also, you can't say pahluwan legs are ALWAYS better than oily trousers. They're situational pieces. If your acc is not capped, why would you use a marginally acceptable attack piece over the most accurate ws piece?..

I agree that Barrage+1 isn't that spectacular. The best attribute of barrage is that it not only does substantial damage, but has the potential to yield 100%+ tp. But Barrage+2? I think the damage from two additional shots are worth losing acc from wyrmal/Seiryu hands and losing a small amount of acc from dusk/aurore.

Lots of people will sub sam just for sekka and have NO IDEA wth a "xhit build" is:P "Wah? 6hit? Pft, a ranger just shoot!"

There's a problem if you do that though.

If you use Blood Fng. Gauntlets and Tassets for a 7 hit barrage You'd have the following stats:

Agi+2 Racc+18 Ratk+11 Barrage+1

Whereas if you used Hunter's +1 and ASA pants to make a 7 hit barrage you'd have the following stats:

AGI+8 Racc+7 Ratk+7 Barrage+1

Now, obviously the Blood Fng. Gauntlets have an advantage of Racc+8 (Incld. AGI) and Ratk+4

The problem is, you have to make sacrifices to your TP/WS gear to do this.

When you compare Skadi Chausses and Desultor Tassets, you get a difference of AGI+2 Racc+3 Ratk+2 in favor Desultor (Assuming you're not going for an xhit setup). So you'd essentially be sacrificing AGI+2 Racc+3 Ratk+2 on your normal hits and weaponskills for Racc+8 Ratk+4 on barrage only, totally not worth it

The AGI modifier on WS's only contributes to the damage formula. AGI standalone will always increase ranged accuracy, but in the actual formula of weapon skills, it'll only contribute (and very marginally) to the damage. The modifier does not raise accuracy.

You're not considering the point people have raised. Your point is, Oily Trousers are the most accurate weapon skill piece. Our point is, no it's not, and it actually costs more than the most accurate weapon skill piece.

Oily Trousers cost 400k and provide 7.5 accuracy. Dusk Legs cost 80-100k and provide +10 accuracy. Why pay more for less? That is our point, not whether Pahluwan are better. In the context of damage, Pahluwan are miles better than Oily. But yes, you are correct, this depends on the circumstance and it would be wrong to outright say "These are better than that".

In the context of "better", Pahluwan are, because the cost of said items has constantly been brought up.

It's a fair point, and one of those points that will always come down to a Ranger's preference.

They cost 0 gil, which makes them free. Take your semantics debate elsewhere.

Btw, having mentioned the Shantotto legs...

I disagree w/ the Barrage augment since the cap raise. W/ the addition of the Conserve TP trait and Conserve TP equipment, ranger ws sets should soon be changing.

Nothing is free. Unless it is litterally handed to you for 0 effort. It's not semantics it's common sense

It costs 0 gil. That's the point that was made.

True it cost 0 gil. 0 gil does not mean free though

We could use that argument against anyone on any item. What is it even saying? It does not change the fact Pahluwan Legs cost you 0 gil, and that Oily Trousers cost you 400k.

We've been into these 'Time is money' debates plenty of times, so I'm not really going to get drawn into another one.

That's true however, most people would rather do assaults, or missions, quests, or even NMs if they have a linkshell to do them, rather than farming the gil to just buy the item

It's like choosing between rolling a boulder up a hill, and rolling a boulder down a hill. In both cases you still have to roll the boulder, but one method of doing so is obviously preferable

In fact for me assualts items "cost" more than any other legs I can buy because I am litterally spending all my assualt points on salvage.

If you have Skadi, yes, then you could use it for a situational piece, but like I said, if you're using ASA legs, putting Barrage +1 over Rng Acc +7 or Rng Attk +7 would be HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. The odds of landing the 8th arrow @ 66% thats IF the other 7 land. Not 66% of the time you'll land all 8. Hell, arrow #1 could miss and you'd whiff 8 arrows.

I've seriously been debating dropping mine and going with Ranged Attk+7 and Conserve TP +5, now that it's a RNG trait at lv 80. Not sure on the math and how much TP it will save after a WS, but atm the most I get is like 31% left over after a WS.

I agree completely with you. The 8th hit is barely worth it, especially as to get that eight hit you need to drop a considerable amount of accuracy.

However, outright saying the 8th hit is pointless isn't true. You have very low odds of hitting it, (generally to the point where it isn't worth it), but it's still more odds than not having the eighth hit at all.

Actually no. Assuming capped accuracy IF the other 7 hit you now have a 95% chance of landing the 8th. If you are capped you have a total of 66% chance of hitting all 8. Which means yes a 66% chance to get 1 more hit.

Now that really is pedantic, lol.

Perhaps but it is significantly more accurate then saying you have 66% chance to land a single hit when you have 95% accuracy independent of other hits... especially when you only have a 69% chance to even get there. Makes it sound like you only have 45ish% of hitting all 8

True... But still pedantic!

I assumed we all knew that anyway when we were referring to a 66% on the 8th hit. The hit alone is obviously 95% since the accuracy of barrage does not diminish over hits.

If you want to calculate the likelihood of landing all hits in a barrage with a given accuracy% you'd use the following formula

(Hit Ratio)^(# of hits)

For example, if you have a hit ratio of 95% and an 8 hit barrage:

(0.95)^8 = 0.6634

So 66.34%

I would've assumed the same thing if it wasn't for this which is what I was responding to...

The ASA Barrage pants are worth it. Even if you're not a believer in the 8-hit Barrage (which is amazing when it lands, works great in zergs with Feint on) you can use it instead of Htr. Bracers +1 and get Seiryu's Kote for a 7-hit barrage.

My legs for RNG are:

Skadi when it's needed for hit build
Sct. Braccae +1 for general purpose TP or Enmity- set
Hachiryu for WS

When I get Entois Trousers that will be my choice for general TP when the STP isn't needed from Skadi.

lol I literally just lost a few brain cells.

I'm looking forward to saving a marginal amount of money whilst maintaining the same ratt stats. =D

Be careful you hang on to your last few then!

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the main good thing on legs was the store tp... and the actual money cost of the legs is hardly anything. Sadly lolhead cost way way more

Just to clarify, you do not "miss" the rest of the arrows when 1 arrow misses. You simply just stop meaning no ammo is lost after the first miss.