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The dark 5 hit (kinda)
Cerberus.Dizzmal
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By Cerberus.Dizzmal 2010-08-18 08:46:42
Carbuncle.Deathdealerjax said: Well dizzmal, for one I don't take steroids, comes from good old fashion exercise and old man strength (yeah i'm starting to get it D:). You should try it. You are more muscular than I am if that is indeed you in your avatar. But at my age I don't want to be that big. I work more on cardio and cutting up. While my max benchpress isn't that high, I work more on reps than maxing. My wife and I try to take 15-20 mile bike rides a few times a week, weather permitting.But thanks for thinking by some chance in hell that you know me irl. Assuming you know how anyone looks irl only make you look like an ***.
I really hate how people think that if someone plays a game like FFXI, they are a fat nerd that has no life. While I'm sure there are players like that, I doubt that is the norm. I mean I'll take your avatar for example, Other than looking like a total douchebag by taking a pic of your muscles and posting it on a gaming website, you look like a fit guy that plays this game. I've seen quite a few pictures of attractive people on here. Some fake, some real. Stop being one of the douchebags that think we all fit the nerdy gamer mold I posted above.
Quote: My loss in str/atk I posted way back would be from wsing in the crap you suggested over what i could ws in now. You are correct we are talking about tp build but your effecting my ws's.... and do you know what a 5 hit build is for?. To ws more frequently. So when you gimp my ws's you defeating the purpose of it. On top of me admitting i'm not finished with it yet... which you failed to read. Look we can go bickering back and forth but there is no point. Yes your set provides more acc and 1 more haste. No, you can't outparse me. lol. I do it to people like you every day. Your probably a smart kid, so it wouldn't be fair to call you an idiot.... but really its to bad we're not on the same server to do an event together so you can see for yourself.
Do you still not understand that the build I posted was for WS only? It has nothing to do with WS. Please get that though your thick head.
But your right all we can do is *** at each other unless one of us jumps server to parse against each other.. I don't see that happening.
Quote: You can get the last word..... This forum is probably your only source of solace so have at it sir.
I'm normally not a troll, but since you fail to know the difference between a TP set and a WS set. You keep saying that my set will gimp you WS set... /wrist.
IF you would pay attention, the set I posted not only has more haste,acc,att it also boasts a full 5 hit TP BUILD. Now if you want to compare WS sets, we can do that as well. But you might complain that your WS set messes with your TP set /facepalm.
Edit: Your TP set and your WS set should be completely different and by no way gimping each other.
Fenrir.Gradd
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By Fenrir.Gradd 2010-08-18 09:02:30
Assuming both players were equal in skill when it comes down to being aggressive in a parse Dizzmals 5-hit set will end up beating the askar build by a decent chunk especially if your using askar head...
The difference between turban and askar head is a 3% difference in overall damage if iirc in turbans favor. Turban wipes the floor with askar with very little effort. The only reason people consider Aces helm "good"(which its not) is the 7 ACC on it NOT the STR on it. 4 STR is meaningless compared to 1% haste in any way shape or form.
Aces/Askar are Apoc Drk onry, and that is only because they are hitting the haste cap with very little effort due to the aftermath of Cata.
Cerberus.Kvazz
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-08-18 09:04:11
Ace's is good if you'r really hurting for acc! (Somehow)
Fenrir.Gradd
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By Fenrir.Gradd 2010-08-18 09:07:32
Ace's is good... for showing off to noobs in town who don't know better, other than that don't waste your time like I did D:
Pizza exists for a reason :(
Valefor.Argettio
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By Valefor.Argettio 2010-08-18 09:25:21
Cerberus.Kvazz said: Ace's is good if you'r really hurting for acc! (Somehow)
You are right, but just thinking about when/how that situation could arise:
Pizza give 20% hit rate so will take turn any hit rate above 75% (73% for pizza+1) to capped. Which means to use Ace's you need a hit rate under 71.5 (69.5% for pizza+1) in order to get the full advantage from the 7 accuracy. This is ignoring DE and Hasso.
In any situation where you have a hit rate around 70% before food, then you need to massively rethink your gear/job choice.
Seraph.Rafik
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By Seraph.Rafik 2010-08-18 12:22:05
Fenrir.Gradd said:
The difference between turban and askar head is a 3% difference in overall damage if iirc in turbans favor. Turban wipes the floor with askar with very little effort. The only reason people consider Aces helm "good"(which its not) is the 7 ACC on it NOT the STR on it. 4 STR is meaningless compared to 1% haste in any way shape or form.
does +15 attack beat 1% haste?
you do have Cuchulain's Mantle and blitz ring. So why not wear those on your drk?
4str, +15attack, and +7accuracy vs 4str, 4dex, 5accuracy and 1%haste.
See the difference? Got it you just want to show off your cerb+1 mantle.
Cool spend the gill to get dusk+1 gloves and not utilize blitz ring. Blitz ring doesnt cost as much as dusk +1 gloves. You have full scythe merits no?
Dont make accuracy an excuse for not wearing blitz ring when you can get away with it. What are you hitting that you need so much accuracy on? There is pizza, you know for when you do need the accuracy.
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2010-08-18 12:53:35
Seraph.Rafik said: Fenrir.Gradd said:
The difference between turban and askar head is a 3% difference in overall damage if iirc in turbans favor. Turban wipes the floor with askar with very little effort. The only reason people consider Aces helm "good"(which its not) is the 7 ACC on it NOT the STR on it. 4 STR is meaningless compared to 1% haste in any way shape or form.
does +15 attack beat 1% haste?
you do have Cuchulain's Mantle and blitz ring. So why not wear those on your drk?
4str, +15attack, and +7accuracy vs 4str, 4dex, 5accuracy and 1%haste.
See the difference? Got it you just want to show off your cerb+1 mantle.
Cool spend the gill to get dusk+1 gloves and not utilize blitz ring. Blitz ring doesnt cost as much as dusk +1 gloves. You have full scythe merits no?
Dont make accuracy an excuse for not wearing blitz ring when you can get away with it. What are you hitting that you need so much accuracy on? There is pizza, you know for when you do need the accuracy.
Sombody is just jealous with their Foragers/NQ Dusk/Iota Ring
Seraph.Rafik
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By Seraph.Rafik 2010-08-18 12:56:17
Fenrir.Skarwind said: Seraph.Rafik said: Fenrir.Gradd said:
The difference between turban and askar head is a 3% difference in overall damage if iirc in turbans favor. Turban wipes the floor with askar with very little effort. The only reason people consider Aces helm "good"(which its not) is the 7 ACC on it NOT the STR on it. 4 STR is meaningless compared to 1% haste in any way shape or form.
does +15 attack beat 1% haste?
you do have Cuchulain's Mantle and blitz ring. So why not wear those on your drk?
4str, +15attack, and +7accuracy vs 4str, 4dex, 5accuracy and 1%haste.
See the difference? Got it you just want to show off your cerb+1 mantle.
Cool spend the gill to get dusk+1 gloves and not utilize blitz ring. Blitz ring doesnt cost as much as dusk +1 gloves. You have full scythe merits no?
Dont make accuracy an excuse for not wearing blitz ring when you can get away with it. What are you hitting that you need so much accuracy on? There is pizza, you know for when you do need the accuracy.
Sombody is just jealous with their Foragers/NQ Dusk/Iota Ring
that is not my tp gear moron
here it is before i stopped playing
and you can shove that up your ***
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2010-08-18 12:57:22
Seraph.Rafik said: Fenrir.Skarwind said: Seraph.Rafik said: Fenrir.Gradd said:
The difference between turban and askar head is a 3% difference in overall damage if iirc in turbans favor. Turban wipes the floor with askar with very little effort. The only reason people consider Aces helm "good"(which its not) is the 7 ACC on it NOT the STR on it. 4 STR is meaningless compared to 1% haste in any way shape or form.
does +15 attack beat 1% haste?
you do have Cuchulain's Mantle and blitz ring. So why not wear those on your drk?
4str, +15attack, and +7accuracy vs 4str, 4dex, 5accuracy and 1%haste.
See the difference? Got it you just want to show off your cerb+1 mantle.
Cool spend the gill to get dusk+1 gloves and not utilize blitz ring. Blitz ring doesnt cost as much as dusk +1 gloves. You have full scythe merits no?
Dont make accuracy an excuse for not wearing blitz ring when you can get away with it. What are you hitting that you need so much accuracy on? There is pizza, you know for when you do need the accuracy.
Sombody is just jealous with their Foragers/NQ Dusk/Iota Ring
that is not my tp gear moron
here it is before i stopped playing
and you can shove that up your ***
NQ Hauby? Damn Gimp
Edit: Also Fort Torque? The ***.
Seraph.Rafik
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By Seraph.Rafik 2010-08-18 13:02:44
Fenrir.Skarwind said: Seraph.Rafik said: Fenrir.Skarwind said: Seraph.Rafik said: Fenrir.Gradd said:
The difference between turban and askar head is a 3% difference in overall damage if iirc in turbans favor. Turban wipes the floor with askar with very little effort. The only reason people consider Aces helm "good"(which its not) is the 7 ACC on it NOT the STR on it. 4 STR is meaningless compared to 1% haste in any way shape or form.
does +15 attack beat 1% haste?
you do have Cuchulain's Mantle and blitz ring. So why not wear those on your drk?
4str, +15attack, and +7accuracy vs 4str, 4dex, 5accuracy and 1%haste.
See the difference? Got it you just want to show off your cerb+1 mantle.
Cool spend the gill to get dusk+1 gloves and not utilize blitz ring. Blitz ring doesnt cost as much as dusk +1 gloves. You have full scythe merits no?
Dont make accuracy an excuse for not wearing blitz ring when you can get away with it. What are you hitting that you need so much accuracy on? There is pizza, you know for when you do need the accuracy.
Sombody is just jealous with their Foragers/NQ Dusk/Iota Ring
that is not my tp gear moron
here it is before i stopped playing
and you can shove that up your ***
NQ Hauby? Damn Gimp
Edit: Also Fort Torque? The ***.
oh *** please you and your hq ***
here not only fort torque for you
you like all them torques?
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2010-08-18 13:03:48
Seraph.Rafik said: Fenrir.Skarwind said: Seraph.Rafik said: Fenrir.Skarwind said: Seraph.Rafik said: Fenrir.Gradd said:
The difference between turban and askar head is a 3% difference in overall damage if iirc in turbans favor. Turban wipes the floor with askar with very little effort. The only reason people consider Aces helm "good"(which its not) is the 7 ACC on it NOT the STR on it. 4 STR is meaningless compared to 1% haste in any way shape or form.
does +15 attack beat 1% haste?
you do have Cuchulain's Mantle and blitz ring. So why not wear those on your drk?
4str, +15attack, and +7accuracy vs 4str, 4dex, 5accuracy and 1%haste.
See the difference? Got it you just want to show off your cerb+1 mantle.
Cool spend the gill to get dusk+1 gloves and not utilize blitz ring. Blitz ring doesnt cost as much as dusk +1 gloves. You have full scythe merits no?
Dont make accuracy an excuse for not wearing blitz ring when you can get away with it. What are you hitting that you need so much accuracy on? There is pizza, you know for when you do need the accuracy.
Sombody is just jealous with their Foragers/NQ Dusk/Iota Ring
that is not my tp gear moron
here it is before i stopped playing
and you can shove that up your ***
NQ Hauby? Damn Gimp
Edit: Also Fort Torque? The ***.
oh *** please you and your hq ***
here not only fort torque for you
you like all them torques?
Awsome only Justice and Love are worth the effort.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-08-18 13:08:46
Don't be hatin' on Faith Torque.
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2010-08-18 13:09:26
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Don't be hatin' on Faith Torque.
Ah my bad it rocks for Stoneskin and Chi Blast :(
Seraph.Rafik
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By Seraph.Rafik 2010-08-18 13:10:25
Fenrir.Skarwind said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Don't be hatin' on Faith Torque.
Ah my bad it rocks for Stoneskin and Chi Blast :(
not if you have full h2h merits
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-08-18 13:11:21
Fenrir.Skarwind said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Don't be hatin' on Faith Torque.
Ah my bad it rocks for Stoneskin and Chi Blast :( If that was all it was good for I'd have included Fortitude for Chakra.
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Phoenix.Fredjan
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2010-08-18 13:11:38
ITT: RNG uses PCC
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-08-18 13:12:08
Phoenix.Fredjan said: ITT: RNG uses PCC Qiqirn collar is what I usually see, could be wrong about Hope though.
And I think there's a new Abyssea item? idk, RNG isn't my cup of tea.
EDIT: sylvan scarf
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2010-08-18 13:13:09
That level 40ish neck with R.Acc +5 and R.Atk +6, too!
All of them beat PCC for RNG, Hope torque being the best necklace
Sylvan Scarf works, too
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-08-18 13:15:04
Phoenix.Fredjan said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Phoenix.Fredjan said: ITT: RNG uses PCC Qiqirn collarThat level 40ish neck with R.Acc +5 and R.Atk +6, too!
All of them beat PCC for RNG, Hope torque being the best necklace
I'll take your word for it on Hope, though Sylvan seems nice given the -enmity. Sorry about the initially brief post, accidentally submitted before I was done typing.
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2010-08-18 13:17:12
Don't forget this though.. Hot damn :Q
http://www.ffxiah.com/item/11604/corvus-torque
Edit: Rafik sorry about being such a ***. It's just so easy to nitpick thats all.
Asura.Solara
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By Asura.Solara 2010-08-18 14:03:36
Fenrir.Skarwind said: Rafik sorry about being such a ***. It's just so easy to nitpick thats all.
The real question is, why would you bother when your gear barely average?
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2010-08-18 14:21:32
Asura.Solara said: Fenrir.Skarwind said: Rafik sorry about being such a ***. It's just so easy to nitpick thats all.
The real question is, why would you bother when your gear barely average?
1) A friend is playing my account while I'm away.
2) I don't know why the *** a Foragers and Iota are on COR quick Draw D:
3)WAR/DRG/DRK are more my thing though. I can admit my COR gear is average. It's something I leveled and that is about it :/
Is pretty much what I quick drawed in. With other ***for TP/Ranged Attack/WS from my Ranger. I was letting my friend use my Char as a LVL75 G.Colibri Sync/Leech for Dual Boxing. My other jobs which held my combat merits and such is what I took pride in.
Edit: No offense taken though but my Melees are pretty well geared for the most part. Though in a few months I'm not sure if it's going to be worth coming back. My friend can do what he pleases though I'm not sure why odd items we're on my COR when better choices are in my MH lol. Must have been in a hurry.
Shiva.Daimos
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By Shiva.Daimos 2010-08-18 14:24:32
Whenever I see gear mixed together that doesn't make sense, I always assume it's just town gear or w/e.
Hell, take a look at the garbage I was last scanned with xD(wtf I know)
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2010-08-18 14:27:20
Shiva.Daimos said: Whenever I see gear mixed together that doesn't make sense, I always assume it's just town gear or w/e.
Hell, take a look at the garbage I was last scanned with xD(wtf I know)
Is that Hat and Barone hands Auged?
I seen some nice ANNM augmentations. If you got haste/acc/dex on barone hands grats.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-08-18 14:27:29
We all know you TP in Yukata and Adaman Barbuta.
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By Shiva.Daimos 2010-08-18 14:32:00
Haha I wish :(
Barbuta is regen +1, but I did quite a few ANNMs for those barone and the best I got was dex +5
Would be kickass if I had gotten Haste +3 since both my DD's can use em
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2010-08-18 14:32:55
Shiva.Daimos said: Haha I wish :(
Barbuta is regen +1, but I did quite a few ANNMs for those barone and the best I got was dex +5
Would be kickass if I had gotten Haste +3 since both my DD's can use em
Yeah Regen on Adaman head is pretty nice when paired with other gear. I had no luck on Barone hands though we kept getting those crappy daggers
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By Fenrir.Gradd 2010-08-18 17:48:00
Seraph.Rafik said: Fenrir.Gradd said:
The difference between turban and askar head is a 3% difference in overall damage if iirc in turbans favor. Turban wipes the floor with askar with very little effort. The only reason people consider Aces helm "good"(which its not) is the 7 ACC on it NOT the STR on it. 4 STR is meaningless compared to 1% haste in any way shape or form.
does +15 attack beat 1% haste?
you do have Cuchulain's Mantle and blitz ring. So why not wear those on your drk?
4str, +15attack, and +7accuracy vs 4str, 4dex, 5accuracy and 1%haste.
See the difference? Got it you just want to show off your cerb+1 mantle.
Cool spend the gill to get dusk+1 gloves and not utilize blitz ring. Blitz ring doesnt cost as much as dusk +1 gloves. You have full scythe merits no?
Dont make accuracy an excuse for not wearing blitz ring when you can get away with it. What are you hitting that you need so much accuracy on? There is pizza, you know for when you do need the accuracy.
Who the *** ever said I dont use blitz ring? I use it when ACC is capped, if its not then ill be using Toreader's Hurdur, gimp DD in a nq haub wut? Gear is situational and smart players have differt sets and switch to them when different situations arize. Damn this game is hard to figure out :(
I have a Cuch Mantle? Didnt know you could log into my account and see all my gear D:
Seraph.Rafik
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By Seraph.Rafik 2010-08-18 18:15:37
Fenrir.Gradd said: Seraph.Rafik said: Fenrir.Gradd said:
The difference between turban and askar head is a 3% difference in overall damage if iirc in turbans favor. Turban wipes the floor with askar with very little effort. The only reason people consider Aces helm "good"(which its not) is the 7 ACC on it NOT the STR on it. 4 STR is meaningless compared to 1% haste in any way shape or form.
does +15 attack beat 1% haste?
you do have Cuchulain's Mantle and blitz ring. So why not wear those on your drk?
4str, +15attack, and +7accuracy vs 4str, 4dex, 5accuracy and 1%haste.
See the difference? Got it you just want to show off your cerb+1 mantle.
Cool spend the gill to get dusk+1 gloves and not utilize blitz ring. Blitz ring doesnt cost as much as dusk +1 gloves. You have full scythe merits no?
Dont make accuracy an excuse for not wearing blitz ring when you can get away with it. What are you hitting that you need so much accuracy on? There is pizza, you know for when you do need the accuracy.
Who the *** ever said I dont use blitz ring? I use it when ACC is capped, if its not then ill be using Toreader's Hurdur, gimp DD in a nq haub wut? Gear is situational and smart players have differt sets and switch to them when different situations arize. Damn this game is hard to figure out :(
I have a Cuch Mantle? Didnt know you could log into my account and see all my gear D:
this is what you posted as your item set to show off?
dir dir
and when I said this you said
Fenrir.Gradd said: Seraph.Rafik said: Ok guys iota ring or any other accuracy ring should be replace by blitz ring when you dont need the accuracy
Blitz ring is situational, or you can macro it in for diabolic eye phase.
You statement right there made it clear that you didnt understand what I wrote. I dont know what is so hard to understand about when you dont need the accuracy wear a blitz ring?
The name calling begins, because oh no I didnt have HQ Huab so there for I am gimp. That was the only thing you can come up with to rip on me lol
Nice try. Skill matters more than gear and knowing how to use what you have to its full potential.
What dont you understand with those swaps that I suggested you will have the same accuracy as your current tp set and gain one more haste?
so dont talk about accuracy being an issue.
If you can afford dusk+1 gloves you can afford cuch mantle.
so instead of switching to cuch mantle you would rather wear toreades ring? Got it.
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By Fenrir.Gradd 2010-08-18 18:31:34
You keep saying "you can afford dusk +1" who the *** said I ever paid for the dusk +1? They belong to a friend who rarely plays anymore, so quick to jump to conclusions.
Whole key to this is having a scythe with 528 delay (14.4% tp return base on weapon)
With /samurai and tping in this set you will aquire a 5 hit build with a full tp return from either of your 4 hit ws's. This set will give you 19..7 tp a hit, and your tp return from a guillotine or insurgency (I take off askar body for heca on ws's atm so that 5 store tp on the body isn't needed for this) will result in 22 tp, giving you exactly 100 tp after 4 more melee attacks.
I Figured this out before the store tp reckoning (only need 36 store tp to pull this off) but that involved using carbonara and the loss of attack wasn't really worth it unless you had a cor.
Ideally getting the goading belt would also allow you to tp in any body you wanted to and still keep a 5 hit, removing the goading belt for a ws belt keeping your 22 tp return.
Fun tip, if you have a cor and sam in your party with store tp roll and the cor rolls either lucky sam (2) or rolls above 8 your 5 hit build turns into a 4 hit build. Thats right.. ws,3 hits, ws, 3 hits, ws.
Still missing goading belt and fire bomblet from my perfect tp set up but I'll get there.... until then I hope some of you utilize this cause even though you sacrifice some acc from your body (which you can work around if your well enough geared) Its a set up that is really fun.
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