Jupiter's Vs. Vulcan's In Abyssea

Speaking only about Abyssea and the utilization of Atma of the Razed Ruins/Atma of the Voracious Violet, Jupiter's Staff might just be better DPS on exp mobs. My current tp gear is decent (AF3 pants +2) and I have 4/4 Critical Hit Rate merits. The Razed Ruins atma gives +30% Crit. Hit Rate, so I total 52% critical hit rate on RNG in Abyssea.

I noticed very little difference in Sidewinder/Refulgent damage but critical hits from Siege Bow with Demon Arrows are between 350 and 400 damage per critical shot. With Antlion Arrows, the damage increases to 400-450 damage per critical shot. With the addition of Stalwart's Tonic, Antlion Arrow/Siege crits increase to 500-550 damage.

Factoring in Double Shot, that means back to back critical shots cause 700-1100 damage...

With all the new "Increases Critical Hit Damage," I can see ranger DoT relying on critical hits in the present or very near future.
So, I suggest that if you have the Razed Ruins atma, you should try out Jupiter's Staff instead of Vulcan's Staff.

If anyone cares enough to perform a legitimate parse comparison, I'd greatly appreciate it and would love to know whether I should be getting some more crit gear.

To be honest, i'd say you would benefit more from VV/Stout Arm atma's over RR. Crit hit's on ranged attacks don't provide quite the same boost as they do for other DD's. Also with Sidewinder not being able to crit, RR is just going to waste when you could have 40 extra STR and 30~ RATT.

I've played around with a bit and when they do crit with RR up the crit ws on rng do more than slug. This is even factoring switching RR for something like stout arm or drifter. Part of the problem is unlike melee DDs you aren't capping dstat crit hit rate thanks to all the dex on it so actually critting with it at 100% tp is maybe 50% and no crit is crap dmg. The staff might help solve that problem. That and the agi +crit hit rate atma

Also VV is less good on rng especially if you already using stout arm. The regain is nice but you are probably X building anyways. And capping fstr with cruor buffs and stout arm with decent gear wont be too hard.

Hey frog.

Honestly it could work.

If you want to go down that line, few other things you might want to try.

Swap axe grip for claymore - 3% higher crit rate.
Cavaros mantle is a really nice piece, tho the +enmity is a pain.
Work on Loki's Khaften - 11agi/dex for crit rate and racc with 5% crit dmg and store tp.
With the 7 store tp from loki's, you could try swapping out your hands and feet for pure agi or dex pieces.

Or, you could forget a Xhit build and go for pure DoT type dmg with Arching Arrow builds for spike dmg.

As Dasva suggested, try for the agi/crit rate atma too, extra WS dmg as well as boosting your crits. With the two atmas you might be able to hit like 85% crit rate, maybe even higher.

Capping fstr with just cruor buffs etc wont be impossible, so really theres very little to lose.

I don't have the Stout Arm atma! /cry That's why I was playing with RR.

Idk, I just thought it was really funny to crit that much on RNG lol. We shall see in the very near future... if RNG gets crit enhancement on AF3 hands or body... I told you so! lol

Would the critical rate on the staff even apply to ranged attacks? +crit rate on most weapons is exclusively for that weapon.

New RNG ws from harrier+1/Gandiva is Dex modded and crits so RR atma is ftw on that ws if you take the time to obtain it.

Very good question... You might actually be right but doesn't Kidney Dagger work overall for a thf? I'm pretty sure the +5% crit rate on that affects both hands but X's knife doesn't. Hmmm... this post might be null if you are correct lol.

X's knife most certainly affects both hands- there's a reason why X's used to be such a good offhand.


However, such is not the case for offhanding a +crit rate weapon. You couldn't offhand a Dissector and expect to get the +rate for both hands. Ninjas used to mainhand Senji because of this, despite it having a lower base damage than many offhand choices, such as Fudo.

This also applies to Footwork w/ Destroyers- no +critical for your kicks.

Jupiter's +crit only affects the main hand, like all +crit rate weapons they only affect the hand they're wielded in. X's was Crit damage+ which affects all forms of attacks.


At 75 it was only off handed by Relic/Mythics.

I don't see how that invalidates my statement, lol

I don't have thf lvl'd so I didn't know about that crit main hand /off hand thing. Hmm, seems like we've reach a conclusion then... Jupiter's won't affect ranged attacks? Perhaps the RR atma's 30% is just so much that it seemed like Jupiter's was making a difference.

Well then Vulcan's or Mekki goes! lol

Jupiter's staff does not affect anything other than itself. Pointless on RNG unless you want dex lol.

Weapons stating +crit % only affect that particular weapon and nothing else. +crit dmg affects any crit you get, even if you were punching the damn beastie.

Having beena ninja and atetmpting to cap Ddex i can tell you as well, that you are going to need to get your dex up to 50 over the mob's agi to "cap" your dex crit % iirc.

How much of an impact would RR make on say Arching Arrow?

Alot. For example my slugshot with just atma of the drifter (racc/ratt) was around 1.6-1.7k in one pt. When I actually got a crit Heavy shot was like 1.8-2.2k. Though like 1k when it didn't.

Which brings up the problem rngs have with it. Melees get the big boost to crit rate and cap Ddex from the dex on it making your crit rate insane. But rng doesn't benefit from the dex

Just wondering as I don't have rng geared or lvl'd yet to try myself. But has anyone try'd GH/RR/SS atma w/ jupiters staff and other crit dmg/rate enhancement gear using Arching arrow? Another thing that might help are duel wielding yataghans augmented w/ perfect crit dmg +. I'm not sure how this ws fares outside of abyssea but I know Tachi: Jinpu is crit based and does really good dmg inside if geared right w/ crit oriented atma's. Thanks

Jinpu can NOT crit.

And I'm pretty sure Jupiter's staffs crit rate+ only works on the staff itself

Bumping a thread 5 days from being one year old and we don't even READ it. Classic.

I have been going back to /NIN and using Carabineer Dagger and Carabinier's Axe.

I haven't really taken the time to to do any actual test but overall it appears better. But then maybe I am just paying attention to good numbers only.

Get much more going /sam or /war
The few extra skill isn't enough to warrant it.