I am here to post my results of my brief Tachi: Ageha testing, and will add more samples at a later date.
For now, I wanted to clear up some misconceptions that have been created about the weaponskill.
The defense down effect is NOT 100% at any levels of tp.
The defense down effect is over-written by, and overwrites, other defense down status effects (ie. angon, Gungnir's additional effect)
The defense down can either last 1:30, or last 3:00
The defense down effect is 25%
The chance of the defense down occurring MAY change dependent on the target
The first point was simple enough to prove. Use Tachi: Ageha on a target, wait for it to wear off in the log.
I also went to test in a PvP area for visual proof
no defense down effect from Tachi: Ageha
defense down from Tachi: Ageha
The defense down being overwritten is already well-known. I did this by getting a friend on DRG with Gungnir to use both angon, and an additional effect from the weapon, and checked the DEF on my mule as the new effects were applied. They overwrite by the order they are applied, not based on remaining duration.
When the defense down occurs, it seems to have a 50% chance of lasting 1 minute and 30 seconds and a 50% chance of lasting 3 minutes
(
needs a higher sample size based off of roughly 50 times)
Proof of the defense down not occurring and lasting for only 1:30
on mule in pvp
on a mob
note: the time isn't exactly 1:30 in the log from the delay of Tachi: Ageha appearing in the chat log.
It lasted exactly 1:30 or exactly 3:00 on Cyphos' screen when it was applied
The defense down is 25% down from your current defense
Cyphos' defense without ageha 388
Cyphos' defense with ageha 291
291/388 = 75% (25% off)
I feel that the chance of defense down occurring may change based on the target. From PvP testing at 300tp, I witnessed a 75% chance of landing the defense down effect. However, on my test on EP Ypottryls, DC-T Sierra tigers (brief), and EM Bluffalo, I have witnessed a much lower proc rate.
Based on a sample size of 100 Tachi: Agehas performed on easy prey Ypottryls in Abyssea - Konschtat, I witnessed what appears to be roughly a 10% chance of proc (9/100).
For an exact proc rate on this mob, clearly a higher sample is needed, however, I feel it is pretty clear that Tachi: Ageha has a horrible chance of landing on even this type of fodder mob.
How I conducted my tests up to this point:
I would use a mob and check for changes in their defense with /check and dia II. After waiting for dia II to wear off, I would Tachi: Ageha and check the mob for a change in defense. I noted my current attack when I checked to show when it changes. I would change gear to an attack value that would let me confirm Tachi: Ageha landing or not.
The first 40ish times, I would wait 3 minutes regardless, to ensure that my check method was consistent and wouldn't skew the data.
The Steps in my testing:
1) Check mob with gear set 1 (lower attack) that says normal defense
2)check mob with gear set 2 (higher attack) to say low defense
3)Tachi: Ageha mob
4)Check mob in gear set 1 and if the attack stays normal, I would know that Tachi: Ageha's effect had not proced, and could continue to do another weaponskill without waiting 3 minutes.
5) If I checked the mob in gear set 1 and the defense now said low, instead of the mob having normal defense, I knew that Tachi: Ageha's additional effect had landed on the target
6) Wait for the target's defense down effect to wear off in the chat log and record it
The PvP testing was easy to check by simply switching characters to check for procs and wait for the effect to wear off (when it did happen.)
My notes of proc rate and duration
cyphos base def 388
300tp - proc - 1:30
300tp - proc - 1:30
300tp - proc - 3:00
300tp - proc - 1:30
300tp- NO PROC!! <--- not 100% chance of defense down
300tp- proc - 1:30
300tp - proc - 1:30 - def 291 -25%down
204tp + hagakure - no proc
300tp - proc - 3:00 - 291 def
300tp - proc -def 291
300tp - proc - 1:30 - 291 def
100tp - proc - 3:00 -291 def
100tp - no proc
120tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
120tp - no proc
101tp - no proc
100tp - proc - 3:00 - 291 def
100tp - no proc
120tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
140tp - no proc
100tp - proc - 1:30
101tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - proc - 3:00
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
300tp - NO PROCLOL
100tp - proc - 3:00
100tp - proc - 1:30
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - proc - 1:30
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
300tp - proc - 1:30
300tp - proc - 1:30
300tp - proc - 1:30
300tp - proc - 3:00
300tp - proc - 1:30
300tp - no proc
300tp - no proc
300tp - no proc
300tp - proc - 3:00
300tp - proc - 1:30
300tp - proc - 1:30
300tp - proc - 3:00
300tp - no proc
300tp - proc - 3:00
300tp - no proc
300tp - proc - 1:30
300tp - proc - 3:00
300tp - proc - 1:30
300tp - proc - 1:30
300tp - proc - 3:00
BLUFFALO - even match --- too small a sample size on mob
630 att normal defense
dia II = low def
300tp - no proc
300tp - no proc
300tp - no proc
300tp - no proc
300tp - no proc
300tp - no proc
100tp - no proc
300tp - no proc
300tp - no proc
300tp - no proc
300tp - no proc
300tp - no proc
300tp - no proc
300tp - no proc
300tp - no proc
Sierra Tiger - decent challenge to tough -- too small a sample size on mob
normal def @ 503 att
dia II = low def
300tp - proc - 1:30 -dc
300tp - no proc -dc
300tp - proc - 3:00 -t
300tp - proc - 1:30 -t
300tp - no proc -t
300tp - no proc -t
300tp - proc - 1:30 -t
300tp - no proc -t
300tp - no proc -t
300tp - no proc -t
300tp - no proc -t
300tp - no proc -dc
300tp - no proc -dc
300tp - no proc -dc
300tp - proc - 3:00 -dc
Ypotryll - easy prey - 480 att = normal def
dia II = low
508 att = low
300tp - proc - 3:00 -ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - proc - 3:00 - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - proc - 1:30 - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - proc - 3:00 - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - proc - 1:30 - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - proc - 3:00 - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - proc - 3:00 - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - proc - 3:00 - ep
300tp - proc - 3:00 - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
300tp - no proc - ep
In conclusion, I hope that I have cleared up some misconceptions about Tachi: Ageha.
In my opinion, it is far from a debuff to rely on. Use angon or something instead.
The current 10~% proc rate on EP fodder mobs just seems waaaaay too low to bother using on NMs.
I will update this thread eventually with more personal testing once I do it. Feel free to contribute any other possible information with actual proof. I am also open for constructive testing critique and other possible ideas for concrete testing.