Mandau - How Much Is Tochka Better Then Aluh?
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Mandau - How much is Tochka better then Aluh?
Nothing more to say, just read title, if any1 parsed it or anything.
Assuming you mean offhand for Mandau -- Spreadsheet says Aluh should win by betweeen 0.5% and 1.0% if attack is capped (depending on varying factors, and assuming the extra 1 str on the Thokcha doesn't raise fStr), and be near identical if attack is not capped.
If you gain an fStr with Thokcha, Thokcha wins by about 1.5% in non-capped attack situation, 1.0% in attack capped. Overall, you'd be hard-pressed to find any meaningful difference between the two.
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except that it's possible Thochka is incomplete? i hope?
Carbuncle.Templite said: » except that it's possible Thochka is incomplete? i hope? because i have one and i want it to be noticeably better than an AH dagger someday.
Yeah, good luck with that. The game's full of marginal sidegrades now.
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Best reason ever. :P
I'd say it's very possible they'r done now that we'r 99 though. But we never know, might get some additional augments like we had on these weapons at level 75 before 80 cap. Ramuh.Laffter said: » Yeah, good luck with that. The game's full of marginal sidegrades now. i think this thread was for people with a mandau. you can move on to next thread and work on your post count some more there. Oh dear, someone didn't like what they read :<
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Carbuncle.Templite said: » Ramuh.Laffter said: » Yeah, good luck with that. The game's full of marginal sidegrades now. i think this thread was for people with a mandau. you can move on to next thread and work on your post count some more there. Says the man who is trying to speculate a lvl 99 ToM weapon is incomplete? LOL
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oh well, if they dont do any more magian ***, id be surprised, but whatever.
They can do more magian items, but nothing suggests they would further branch off level 99 stuff that is already complete at this point.
Thokcha +1 go
STR+12 Attack+24? Edit: Forgot requirements. 50 flame geodes and 50 ifritites.
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Ramuh.Laffter said: » Thokcha +1 go STR+12 Attack+24? Edit: Forgot requirements. 50 flame geodes and 50 ifritites. That sounds painful... something for people to do, i guess.
i am definitely not married to 190 delay. but i don't see the end of TOM paths necessarily, i did a buncha staves too and I would like to keep working on them. i enjoy the upgrade system. i think aluh faster and about same damage
Ragnarok.Evihime said: » Nothing more to say, just read title, if any1 parsed it or anything. Carbuncle.Templite said: » Ramuh.Laffter said: » Yeah, good luck with that. The game's full of marginal sidegrades now. i think this thread was for people with a mandau. you can move on to next thread and work on your post count some more there. How do you know they dont have a mandau? Because it says so on their ffxiah profile? I have armageddon but its not on my profile here. Universe imploding... run away!
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Fenrir.Motenten said: » Assuming you mean offhand for Mandau -- Spreadsheet says Aluh should win by betweeen 0.5% and 1.0% if attack is capped (depending on varying factors, and assuming the extra 1 str on the Thokcha doesn't raise fStr), and be near identical if attack is not capped. If you gain an fStr with Thokcha, Thokcha wins by about 1.5% in non-capped attack situation, 1.0% in attack capped. Overall, you'd be hard-pressed to find any meaningful difference between the two. I hate questions like this, because there are a ton of other factors that come into play when asking them. But Motenten reads it, and plugs a bunch of things into one of the stellar spreadsheets, along with a bunch of other gear, and comes up with that answer. I am sure it's either exactly correct or very nearly, and if he'd been asking it, I'm sure he could be satisfied. But the answer already shows what's ridiculous about it - if attack is capped - assuming fStr isn't capped - if you gain 1 fStr. All of those things would be known to Motenten's THF, of course, because he'd also know what other gear was on, what buffs, what merits, what mobs. But what does it do for OP? "This or that, what's better?" Not too much. I think Motenten should just reply to every question with a link. :) Odin.Creaucent said: » Carbuncle.Templite said: » Ramuh.Laffter said: » Yeah, good luck with that. The game's full of marginal sidegrades now. i think this thread was for people with a mandau. you can move on to next thread and work on your post count some more there. How do you know they dont have a mandau? Because it says so on their ffxiah profile? I have armageddon but its not on my profile here. Universe imploding... run away! I took a wild guess. maybe its cus his thf isnt 99 or because his main has full perle on in his profile. was i wrong? Aluh's Crit Hit dmg + wont be something worth it? Btw im workin on Thokcha but im still not sure on spending 4m of geodes...
if you SA for 1000... aluh will turn that into 1030 ;p it is definitely worth mentioning
personally, considering what a great alternative aluh is and how easy to get, i wish i hadn't bothered with thokcha. that's kinda what i meant by saying i hope they continue TOM Thats why I keep thinkin about doing it or not, not just for the gil, cause I have low time to do trials too, lot of events and things to do lately when on game <.<
Keep in mind, lower delay on the off hand allows you to hit more often with your main hand. (Mandau in this case.)
Montentan's spreadsheets take into account the crit damage increase on Aluh, so I would go with what he says. He is pretty smart about this stuff. Motenten gave the raw information. It's for you to understand when and where those factors come into play.
Carbuncle.Templite said: » Odin.Creaucent said: » Carbuncle.Templite said: » Ramuh.Laffter said: » Yeah, good luck with that. The game's full of marginal sidegrades now. i think this thread was for people with a mandau. you can move on to next thread and work on your post count some more there. How do you know they dont have a mandau? Because it says so on their ffxiah profile? I have armageddon but its not on my profile here. Universe imploding... run away! I took a wild guess. maybe its cus his thf isnt 99 or because his main has full perle on in his profile. was i wrong? I don't have a Mandau cuz I don't want one. Don't need one to know what's good for it, though. |
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