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Store TP 4 Hit
By Aeyela 2012-10-23 06:50:35
I think I left my brain in bed this morning. For the life of me I can not figure out the right amount of Store TP a Ranger needs, with a 582 Delay gun, for 4 hit as /WAR and /SAM. I am using the formula for TP calculation from Wiki, but my result is just plain wrong everytime (unless I really do need 162 Store TP, but I wouldn't believe it.)
Does anyone know the amount(s) off the top of their head, or can tell me what I am doing wrong? This is starting to bother me now lol.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-10-23 06:58:13
google -> ffxicalculator
Then you'll never have to worry about this again :D
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By Aeyela 2012-10-23 06:59:08
My god, where has this been all my life?! Thanks! :D
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By Odin.Upbeat 2012-10-23 07:00:42
You need +51 STP on /WAR to get 25TP/hit, +36 with /SAM...
However with Scout's Beret +2 store TP isn't really needed as much as it was before.
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By Aeyela 2012-10-23 07:06:55
You need +51 STP on /WAR to get 25TP/hit, +36 with /SAM...
However with Scout's Beret +2 store TP isn't really needed as much as it was before.
That is more attainable than I thought. And I'm wondering where I was going wrong to end up with 162, lol. Thanks a lot.
Re: Scout's Beret, does the beret need to be equipped when the shot is launched or lands to take effect?
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By Odin.Upbeat 2012-10-23 07:16:21
Re: Scout's Beret, does the beret need to be equipped when the shot is launched or lands to take effect?
When it lands.
For each recycle merit it adds +10 +6 STP to your shot if recycle procs. +25% from merits, +20~30% scout's beret, +5 from Libeccio Mantle = 55% chance without adding the base amount RNG gets from the trait(Because I can't find that info).
55%+ chance at +50 +30 STP from 1 piece of gear while saving ammo... Ohhh yeah :D
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By Cerberus.Mindi 2012-10-23 07:28:55
You need +51 STP on /WAR to get 25TP/hit, +36 with /SAM...
However with Scout's Beret +2 store TP isn't really needed as much as it was before.
how you get there? a 582 delay weapon gets 14.8 TP base x 1.51 =22.3 TP, not 25. Or your 51 Stp take something else into account? like that recycle? (i am no rng so no clue lol)
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-10-23 07:33:08
fairly sure it's weapon delay + ammo delay
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By Odin.Upbeat 2012-10-23 07:34:07
You need +51 STP on /WAR to get 25TP/hit, +36 with /SAM...
However with Scout's Beret +2 store TP isn't really needed as much as it was before.
how you get there? a 582 delay weapon gets 14.8 TP base x 1.51 =22.3 TP, not 25. Or your 51 Stp take something else into account? like that recycle? (i am no rng so no clue lol) You aren't adding the extra +240 delay from the bullet.
By Aeyela 2012-10-23 07:50:53
When it lands.
For each recycle merit it adds +10 STP to your shot if recycle procs. +25% from merits, +20~30% scout's beret, +5 from Libeccio Mantle = 55% chance without adding the base amount RNG gets from the trait(Because I can't find that info).
55%+ chance at +50 STP from 1 piece of gear while saving ammo... Ohhh yeah :D
Suddenly storing that piece of trash (at 75 cap) rather than tossing is looking like a good decision!
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By Asura.Nyaarye 2012-10-23 07:54:02
Re: Scout's Beret, does the beret need to be equipped when the shot is launched or lands to take effect?
When it lands.
For each recycle merit it adds +10 STP to your shot if recycle procs. +25% from merits, +20~30% scout's beret, +5 from Libeccio Mantle = 55% chance without adding the base amount RNG gets from the trait(Because I can't find that info).
55%+ chance at +50 STP from 1 piece of gear while saving ammo... Ohhh yeah :D
Bolded part is incorrect. The Scout's beret +2 augment adds +1 TP per Recycle merit level for shots Recycle procs on. So with 5/5 merits you would get your base TP+5 for Recycled shots. Would be nice if it was +10 sTP per merit level though.
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By Odin.Upbeat 2012-10-23 08:14:03
For some reason I thought +10 Store TP = 1TP... It's +6 sTP per shot then. Re: Scout's Beret, does the beret need to be equipped when the shot is launched or lands to take effect?
When it lands.
For each recycle merit it adds +10 STP to your shot if recycle procs. +25% from merits, +20~30% scout's beret, +5 from Libeccio Mantle = 55% chance without adding the base amount RNG gets from the trait(Because I can't find that info).
55%+ chance at +50 STP from 1 piece of gear while saving ammo... Ohhh yeah :D
Bolded part is incorrect. The Scout's beret +2 augment adds +1 TP per Recycle merit level for shots Recycle procs on. So with 5/5 merits you would get your base TP+5 for Recycled shots. Would be nice if it was +10 sTP per merit level though. Hmmm this is true, I don't know why I thought 10stp = 1 TP... It's actually +6 stp per merit, and it would give +30sTP not +50 for 5/5 merits.
I remember reading 1stp = 0.1TP back in the day.. I suppose that was wrong. Should of checked to make sure >.<;
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By Asura.Nyaarye 2012-10-23 08:21:01
Actually the augment has nothing to do with Store TP. It is just a flat +1 TP gained per merit level. If it added to your sTP you would see decreasing returns from the augment as you increase sTP in other gear slots.
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By Fenrir.Reece 2012-10-23 08:26:41
Don't mean to hijack topic Aeyela, just didn't wanna make a new thread.
With 90 delay ammo and a 490 delay weapon, you add them together right? To make 580.. Then I calculate my STP from there?
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By Asura.Nyaarye 2012-10-23 08:29:22
Don't mean to hijack topic Aeyela, just didn't wanna make a new thread.
With 90 delay ammo and a 490 delay weapon, you add them together right? To make 580.. Then I calculate my STP from there?
Yes, with 580 total delay your TP/hit without any store TP would be 14,8.
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By Fenrir.Reece 2012-10-23 08:33:36
So subbing /SAM I'd be getting 17.0 correct? (I think)
Then would this allow me to gain a 4 hit subbing Sam..
Some are blank due to not knowing what to put in and I'm not sure if there's anything I should swap out for other pieces.
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By Siren.Hyabusa 2012-10-23 08:38:11
/SAM = 15
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By Asura.Nyaarye 2012-10-23 08:41:22
So subbing /SAM I'd be getting 17.0 correct? (I think)
Then would this allow me to gain a 4 hit subbing Sam..
Some are blank due to not knowing what to put in and I'm not sure if there's anything I should swap out for other pieces.
Above set and /SAM would be 36(gear)+15(/SAM) store TP, so 1,51*14,8=22,3 TP/hit. Four hits landed in that set would be 4*22,3=89,2 TP so you would need a recycle proc on 3 out of 4 hits for that to be a 4hit.
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By Fenrir.Reece 2012-10-23 09:08:28
Using this instead would give me 23.9 per hit.. So I'd still need Recycle to proc once on the 4 hits right?
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By Asura.Nyaarye 2012-10-23 09:15:54
Using this instead would give me 23.9 per hit.. So I'd still need Recycle to proc once on the 4 hits right?
Yep. This set 4hits with only one Recycle proc and /SAM. Keep in mind though that to maintain your 4hit you can only lose 4 sTP for weapon skills if only the main hit lands. You can lose 18 sTP for WS if all 3 JR hits land but I wouldn't count on that.
Edit: On the other hand you could just hope for two Recycle procs instead of just one and WS in a bit less Store TP.
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By Sylph.Mirvana 2012-10-26 17:19:37
In my experience, w/ Gandiva it's better to aim for a 5-hit since you have to swap more of your Ratk/Racc for StP slots. You also have to give up Fencer and Berserk from /war.
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I think I left my brain in bed this morning. For the life of me I can not figure out the right amount of Store TP a Ranger needs, with a 582 Delay gun, for 4 hit as /WAR and /SAM. I am using the formula for TP calculation from Wiki, but my result is just plain wrong everytime (unless I really do need 162 Store TP, but I wouldn't believe it.)
Does anyone know the amount(s) off the top of their head, or can tell me what I am doing wrong? This is starting to bother me now lol.
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