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Adaberk vs. P body+1
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By Bahamut.Skyekitty 2012-12-15 23:58:54
I have been reading about war a lot lately, but I am having trouble finding the information about whether it is better to use the E.body+1 on war or the P.body+1. Any war's out there with the answer or at least a good reason to use one over another? Thank you!
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By Bahamut.Bojack 2012-12-16 00:18:03
I'm gonna guess your answer will be something like:
"If P.body +1 doesn't break your xhit, it's better. If E.body +1 with STP is needed to lower xhit by 1 then use that instead."
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By Bahamut.Skyekitty 2012-12-16 00:21:56
I was thinking the same thing, but I wasn't sure if there was something I am missing that makes one "definitely" better. I am deciding how I want to spend my gil/craft and don't want to waste resources. Thank you!
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By Phoenix.Suji 2012-12-16 00:56:26
If you'd rather see for yourself: DPS spreadsheets
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By Odin.Jassik 2012-12-16 01:44:40
If you can cap accuracy with pbody, its good, if you can't, ebody. Truth be told, unless you've planning on doing real endgame, +2 body is really decent, 20-40m on a body is really a waste if you're not serious about war in endgame.
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By Sylph.Rafaras 2012-12-16 02:08:06
From what I know is that P.body+1 is the best for Ragnarok WAR/DRK.
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By Odin.Jassik 2012-12-16 02:17:44
With ebody you can 6-hit rag, can't realistically do it with pbody
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By Bahamut.Skyekitty 2012-12-16 12:00:36
Thanks for the great info guys! I'm gonna narrow the field of the question down a little more. I am going to go rag war, how does the original question apply to a rag war? Thanks!
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By Carbuncle.Pwnzone 2012-12-16 12:06:16
OP: Its Armada Hauberk. Adaman would be the nq
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By Odin.Jassik 2012-12-16 12:06:53
E body. For gs war acc can be a real issue in high end stuff.
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By Lakshmi.Santoro 2012-12-16 12:15:05
E body. For gs war acc can be a real issue in high end stuff. Although this is correct if you are using a Ragnarok you have acc+40 innately so you would have to post your entire set or math it out yourself.
Edit: I personally use Valk as it makes my epeen grow.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2012-12-16 12:17:32
E body. For gs war acc can be a real issue in high end stuff. this is phrased like you don't realize rag has more acc than ukon
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By Bahamut.Cantontai 2012-12-16 12:20:43
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »E body. For gs war acc can be a real issue in high end stuff. this is phrased like you don't realize rag has more acc than ukon
Also, they appear to have mixed up their abjurations. You cannot augment e body with accuracy.
ETA: slightly off topic, but does either body conclusively win for Ukon war?
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By Carbuncle.Anesthesia 2012-12-16 12:24:02
E body. For gs war acc can be a real issue in high end stuff.
Bahamut.Cantontai said: »Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »E body. For gs war acc can be a real issue in high end stuff. this is phrased like you don't realize rag has more acc than ukon
Also, they appear to have mixed up their abjurations. You cannot augment e body with accuracy.
Both of you are terrible ;_;
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2012-12-16 12:28:04
Bahamut.Cantontai said: »Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »E body. For gs war acc can be a real issue in high end stuff. this is phrased like you don't realize rag has more acc than ukon
Also, they appear to have mixed up their abjurations. You cannot augment e body with accuracy.
ETA: slightly off topic, but does either body conclusively win for Ukon war?
I think I saw a screenshot with accuracy augment on armada.
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By Odin.Jassik 2012-12-16 12:30:55
I wasn't taking about ukon at all, i was taking about war having higher skill in gaxe than gs... Pretty sure bravura has acc too....
And while you can get acc on pbody, its rare, and you still lose 8 from mars ring and what like 14 dex...
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2012-12-16 12:31:41
pretty sure ejin has acc with da+3 stp+6, too
Quote: I wasn't taking about ukon at all, i was taking about war having higher skill in gaxe than gs... Pretty sure bravura has acc too....
And while you can get acc on pbody, its rare, and you still lose 8 from mars ring and what like 14 dex... Bravura is garbage, unless I'm missing something. 8 Acc, 14 DEX(10.5 acc), and 20 acc(skill diff) amounts to a difference of 38.5. Ragnarok alone gets 40. You STILL have more accuracy with rag than ukon.
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By Odin.Jassik 2012-12-16 12:31:48
Bahamut.Cantontai said: »Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »E body. For gs war acc can be a real issue in high end stuff. this is phrased like you don't realize rag has more acc than ukon
Also, they appear to have mixed up their abjurations. You cannot augment e body with accuracy.
ETA: slightly off topic, but does either body conclusively win for Ukon war?
I think I saw a screenshot with accuracy augment on armada.
Yes but its even more rare than on pbody
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By Carbuncle.Anesthesia 2012-12-16 12:33:38
E body. For gs war acc can be a real issue in high end stuff.
Jassik
Wat R U Doin
I wasn't taking about ukon at all, i was taking about war having higher skill in gaxe than gs... Pretty sure bravura has acc too....
Jassik
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-12-16 12:33:47
Everything is possible if you believe in the heart of the cards furnace!
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By Bahamut.Cantontai 2012-12-16 12:34:48
Hmm, for some reason thought ACC was P body only. Can you tell I don't have any DD jobs geared yet?
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By Odin.Jassik 2012-12-16 12:35:50
Carbuncle.Anesthesia said: »E body. For gs war acc can be a real issue in high end stuff.
Jassik
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I wasn't taking about ukon at all, i was taking about war having higher skill in gaxe than gs... Pretty sure bravura has acc too....
And while you can get acc on pbody, its rare, and you still lose 8 from mars ring and what like 14 dex...
Jassik
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Sound argument, sure proved me wrong
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By Carbuncle.Anesthesia 2012-12-16 12:37:02
Carbuncle.Anesthesia said: »E body. For gs war acc can be a real issue in high end stuff.
Jassik
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I wasn't taking about ukon at all, i was taking about war having higher skill in gaxe than gs... Pretty sure bravura has acc too....
And while you can get acc on pbody, its rare, and you still lose 8 from mars ring and what like 14 dex...
Jassik
Stahp
Sound argument, sure proved me wrong
It honestly doesn't deserve the dignity of an actual response.
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By Bahamut.Cantontai 2012-12-16 12:41:23
Carbuncle.Anesthesia said: »Carbuncle.Anesthesia said: »E body. For gs war acc can be a real issue in high end stuff.
Jassik
Wat R U Doin
I wasn't taking about ukon at all, i was taking about war having higher skill in gaxe than gs... Pretty sure bravura has acc too....
And while you can get acc on pbody, its rare, and you still lose 8 from mars ring and what like 14 dex...
Jassik
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Sound argument, sure proved me wrong
It honestly doesn't deserve the dignity of an actual response.
Cool, go away then.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2012-12-16 12:43:04
Bahamut.Cantontai said: »Cool, go away then. So, are you Jassik's friend or have you just not realized how wrong he is about every FFXI topic?
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By Bahamut.Cantontai 2012-12-16 12:46:30
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »Bahamut.Cantontai said: »Cool, go away then. So, are you Jassik's friend or have you just not realized how wrong he is about every FFXI topic?
Apparently the second one, but I don't see any point in people giving snide responses and then offering nothing constructive in return...
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By Valefor.Kungg 2012-12-16 12:50:05
But that's how this site / the internet works D:
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2012-12-16 12:50:53
The very same people will offer constructive responses to every new poster that has a legitimate question in a polite manner. Jassik thinks he knows everything, despite being very very misled on most game mechanics, and rarely(never?) admits to being wrong. The people who know what they're talking about don't bother with him any more.
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By Bahamut.Cantontai 2012-12-16 12:53:21
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »The very same people will offer constructive responses to every new poster that has a legitimate question in a polite manner. Jassik thinks he knows everything, despite being very very misled on most game mechanics, and rarely(never?) admits to being wrong. The people who know what they're talking about don't bother with him any more.
Fair enough. Can we get back on topic? I'm curious if there is any real reason to spend the extra 10m on P Body for a Ukon War.
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By Lakshmi.Santoro 2012-12-16 12:59:38
Bahamut.Cantontai said: »Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »The very same people will offer constructive responses to every new poster that has a legitimate question in a polite manner. Jassik thinks he knows everything, despite being very very misled on most game mechanics, and rarely(never?) admits to being wrong. The people who know what they're talking about don't bother with him any more.
Fair enough. Can we get back on topic? I'm curious if there is any real reason to spend the extra 10m on P Body for a Ukon War. There are 3 cumulative reasons;
Triple attack
Triple attack
Triple attack
Beside that, Iv not played in a while but I would have thought if you are capable of making ~20mil for -1 Hauberk u can make the extra 10 mil for -1 cuirass. So why not?
I have been reading about war a lot lately, but I am having trouble finding the information about whether it is better to use the E.body+1 on war or the P.body+1. Any war's out there with the answer or at least a good reason to use one over another? Thank you!
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