Kaboom! A Guide For Black Mage

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By Bismarck.Dachan 2017-06-12 15:07:43  
how does the ea body +1 fair against almaric body +1 and nails +1 considering you're already using 2/4 +1?
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By Asura.Toralin 2017-06-12 15:07:59  
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By Asura.Toralin 2017-06-12 15:10:26  
Bismarck.Dachan said: »
how does the ea body +1 fair against almaric body +1 and nails +1 considering you're already using 2/4 +1?
Every situation I sub'd the Amalric doublet+1 in dmg went down considerable
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By ocean 2017-06-12 15:37:18  
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so when macc isnt a concern thats the best nuking set now? And when macc is swap for af+3 body/hands but rest stays same?

I would assume Ea+1 body would beat Spaekona+3 for macc, even with the set bonus
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By Quetzalcoatl.Evildgnker 2017-06-12 15:54:20  
awesome looking set toralin 78757 mb fire iv on what mob? buffs ? food ? what augs on cspe ;)
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By geigei 2017-06-12 16:30:39  
Fire4 on mandy does 72070 ea hands nq + 4 merlinic with 30ish mab, rest equal.
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By Asura.Toralin 2017-06-12 16:30:52  
Pear crepe firestorms2, no debuffs on mob

Mandy outside west adoulin level 100
30int 10mab 20macc/mdmg on back
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By Asura.Toralin 2017-06-12 16:47:32  
geigei said: »
Fire4 on mandy does 72070 ea hands nq + 4 merlinic with 30ish mab, rest equal.
using firestorm2 right?

Hard to test anything above tier4, hitting 99k on tier5/tier6
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By geigei 2017-06-12 16:48:27  
Yes.
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By Asura.Toralin 2017-06-12 19:30:29  
Did some tier5 testing on Apex Crab (level 128). and all held true with the same sets finishing about the same place

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By Luthiene 2017-06-13 16:12:59  
Asura.Toralin said: »
Did some tier5 testing on Apex Crab (level 128). and all held true with the same sets finishing about the same place

ItemSet 351869

What if my Amalric pieces were only NQ? Would this set still be top without the set bonus?
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By Asura.Toralin 2017-06-13 22:14:25  
Luthiene said: »
Asura.Toralin said: »
Did some tier5 testing on Apex Crab (level 128). and all held true with the same sets finishing about the same place

ItemSet 351869

What if my Amalric pieces were only NQ? Would this set still be top without the set bonus?
Dont have NQ to test, so not sure
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By Luthiene 2017-06-14 01:00:31  
Asura.Toralin said: »
Luthiene said: »
Asura.Toralin said: »
Did some tier5 testing on Apex Crab (level 128). and all held true with the same sets finishing about the same place

ItemSet 351869

What if my Amalric pieces were only NQ? Would this set still be top without the set bonus?
Dont have NQ to test, so not sure

But it would still be quite up there I presume?

Edit: Just realised your set is HQ ea too. Can someone test with all NQ?
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By Odin.Warusha 2017-06-14 04:36:44  
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Asura.Toralin said: »
Luthiene said: »
Asura.Toralin said: »
Did some tier5 testing on Apex Crab (level 128). and all held true with the same sets finishing about the same place

ItemSet 351869

What if my Amalric pieces were only NQ? Would this set still be top without the set bonus?
Dont have NQ to test, so not sure

But it would still be quite up there I presume?

Edit: Just realised your set is HQ ea too. Can someone test with all NQ?
Test what exactly? Your question is confusing because you're asking if a set would be "top" with inferior gear. It requires zero testing to tell you that no, it wouldn't be top. The HQ gear sets are better.
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By geigei 2017-06-14 05:53:47  
Nq amalric not worth using over ea/merlinic if that's what you're asking.
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By Asura.Toralin 2017-06-14 09:12:42  
Kinda agree your basically asking me to test your gear for you. Just grab a SCH friend and go outside adoulin and test.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Evildgnker 2017-06-14 11:00:06  
thx for all of the info tora /
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By zaxtiss 2017-06-27 11:18:31  
so has the cap on MBDII been figured out as of yet? as of right now im using the full NQ Ea set with Locust ring and ambu cape i hit i 40MBD1 and 35 MBD2 or 40 on both if i switch to using SU2 HQ staff.
so basically wondering what way i should go to hit cap on both.
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By Bismarck.Nickeny 2017-06-28 10:12:41  
Im still rocking merlnic x4 with 30 matk macc 10mburst and int (head body pants feet) is it even worth getting this new set?
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By geigei 2017-06-28 12:42:11  
Unless you afford hq's merlinic is still superior (with good augments).
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By Asura.Toralin 2017-06-28 12:47:35  
zaxtiss said: »
so has the cap on MBDII been figured out as of yet? as of right now im using the full NQ Ea set with Locust ring and ambu cape i hit i 40MBD1 and 35 MBD2 or 40 on both if i switch to using SU2 HQ staff.
so basically wondering what way i should go to hit cap on both.
Did you even bother reading anything in this thread????
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By zaxtiss 2017-06-28 14:24:24  
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zaxtiss said: »
so has the cap on MBDII been figured out as of yet? as of right now im using the full NQ Ea set with Locust ring and ambu cape i hit i 40MBD1 and 35 MBD2 or 40 on both if i switch to using SU2 HQ staff.
so basically wondering what way i should go to hit cap on both.
Did you even bother reading anything in this thread????
yeah i didnt see anything about what the cap is though inless i missed it.
 
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By Asura.Toralin 2017-06-28 15:35:17  
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with 40% MBBII tested using fire3 on mandy(lvl 100) I got 44859
with 45% MBBII tested using fire3 on mandy(lvl 100) I got 45807
with 50% MBBII tested using fire3 on mandy(lvl 100) I got 46758


Based on the difference in geigei's results between 35 and 40. diff from 35% to 40% 59309/60593 = .9788
and 40% to 45% 46101/47073 = .9793
and 45% to 50% 45807/46758 = .9796


Seems like the cap is over 50% for MBDII.

To test I used
Aeonic (AM3)
Ea head/body/legs/feet+1
Mujin
Amarlic Gages +1

Sidebar on some silly Staff tests
Fire3 MB Fire4 MB
Arasy Staff +1 47073 68684
Griovolr(INT 11 MAB26) 49332 72140
Lathi (Path A) 50807 74226

So to me even if you had 15INT/30MAB Grio, Lathi still gonna outnuke in an unresisted scenario


you missed this?
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By zaxtiss 2017-06-28 15:49:07  
Asura.Toralin said: »
Asura.Toralin said: »
with 40% MBBII tested using fire3 on mandy(lvl 100) I got 44859
with 45% MBBII tested using fire3 on mandy(lvl 100) I got 45807
with 50% MBBII tested using fire3 on mandy(lvl 100) I got 46758


Based on the difference in geigei's results between 35 and 40. diff from 35% to 40% 59309/60593 = .9788
and 40% to 45% 46101/47073 = .9793
and 45% to 50% 45807/46758 = .9796


Seems like the cap is over 50% for MBDII.

To test I used
Aeonic (AM3)
Ea head/body/legs/feet+1
Mujin
Amarlic Gages +1

Sidebar on some silly Staff tests
Fire3 MB Fire4 MB
Arasy Staff +1 47073 68684
Griovolr(INT 11 MAB26) 49332 72140
Lathi (Path A) 50807 74226

So to me even if you had 15INT/30MAB Grio, Lathi still gonna outnuke in an unresisted scenario


you missed this?
lol and you asked if read it?
Seems like the cap is over 50% for MBDII
i was asking if the cap was figured out.
in your own post you say it SEAMS LIKE THE CAP IS OVER 50% FOR mbdII.
that is not a confirmed hard cap....
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By Asura.Toralin 2017-06-28 15:58:00  
zaxtiss said: »
Asura.Toralin said: »
Asura.Toralin said: »
with 40% MBBII tested using fire3 on mandy(lvl 100) I got 44859
with 45% MBBII tested using fire3 on mandy(lvl 100) I got 45807
with 50% MBBII tested using fire3 on mandy(lvl 100) I got 46758


Based on the difference in geigei's results between 35 and 40. diff from 35% to 40% 59309/60593 = .9788
and 40% to 45% 46101/47073 = .9793
and 45% to 50% 45807/46758 = .9796


Seems like the cap is over 50% for MBDII.

To test I used
Aeonic (AM3)
Ea head/body/legs/feet+1
Mujin
Amarlic Gages +1

Sidebar on some silly Staff tests
Fire3 MB Fire4 MB
Arasy Staff +1 47073 68684
Griovolr(INT 11 MAB26) 49332 72140
Lathi (Path A) 50807 74226

So to me even if you had 15INT/30MAB Grio, Lathi still gonna outnuke in an unresisted scenario


you missed this?
lol and you asked if read it?
Seems like the cap is over 50% for MBDII
i was asking if the cap was figured out.
in your own post you say it SEAMS LIKE THE CAP IS OVER 50% FOR mbdII.
that is not a confirmed hard cap....

The maximum you can get is 53% with gear. If 40/45/50 isnt the cap, I would say the its safe to say its impossible to hit any known cap being that I doubt SE would made it 51%/52%/53%. Not to mention with the gear required to do it you would be shooting yourself in the foot trying to "max it out" and losing tons of nuking power in the process.

Additionally, if you took the time to read my findings you would of noticed that the most powerful nuking set is NOT stacking MBDII as a priority. So unless your just trying to purposely gimp your nukes, it really doesn't matter with the current gear available.
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By zaxtiss 2017-06-28 15:59:51  
okies thanks!
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By Bismarck.Nickeny 2017-06-28 23:17:03  
Ahh I see - Well that's a relief
geigei said: »
merlinic is still superior (with good augments).

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By Tename 2017-06-29 02:13:42  
Thoughts on AG Laevateinn? I never see it mentioned, but it seems like it would be BIS to me. More Macc, maccskill, magic damage, mab, and potentially 50more mab from aftermath? am I missing somethign or just no one has it?
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By Odin.Warusha 2017-06-29 05:34:34  
Tename said: »
Thoughts on AG Laevateinn? I never see it mentioned, but it seems like it would be BIS to me. More Macc, maccskill, magic damage, mab, and potentially 50more mab from aftermath? am I missing somethign or just no one has it?

I have AG Laevateinn. I pretty much only use AG Laevateinn. I'm sure some math wizard will point out why that's wrong, but essentially I think it boils down to the fact that Laevateinn doesn't have any INT. The 32 INT on Lathi is a big deal. For something as short as Ambuscade usually is, I don't think you have time to get up aftermath effectively. I'm happy to keep rocking mythic because I'm used to it. I will say that with the lack of good whm I've been around in content where you should be meleeing to keep up whatever tier of AM you want, it'd be way easier to just keep Lathi on and call it good enough.

Edit: Additional thoughts: Laevateinn felt a lot stronger to me before Reisenjima/Amboopscade I could use a telchine set with max stp, helios set with max occult acumen, etc. The lack of ways to quickly gain tp efficiently are frustrating imo.
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