Ebola Patient Coming To U.S.

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By Enuyasha 2014-10-21 00:35:45  
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Ebola hysteria: An epic, epidemic overreaction
When even CNN says people are overreacting, you know it's really over.
We will now tune back to our regularly scheduled attempt at making it seem like Russia is being an aggressor and trying to start CommieNazi World War III. Also: Obama is in collusion with this plot, as he's the manchurian candidate. To you, Bob.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2014-10-21 06:53:50  
Where would black Americans be without the guiding hand of sarcasm from white liberals?
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2014-10-21 06:54:02  
Hi. btw
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By Jetackuu 2014-10-21 06:59:06  
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When you get some criticism from groups of doctors and or say the WHO then it will actually matter, until then everyone is overreacting and pandering.

You did get a group of physicians criticizing the cdc. Secondly nurses are healthcare professionals. Nursing and medicine are two very different fields, they both are very competent in epidemiology just in different ways.

Heads of nursing unions =/= nurses.

Which group of physicians?

Your definition of competence must vary greatly from what I consider it to be.
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By Jetackuu 2014-10-21 06:59:41  
Enuyasha said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Ebola hysteria: An epic, epidemic overreaction
When even CNN says people are overreacting, you know it's really over.
We will now tune back to our regularly scheduled attempt at making it seem like Russia is being an aggressor and trying to start CommieNazi World War III. Also: Obama is in collusion with this plot, as he's the manchurian candidate. To you, Bob.


Tell that to the Ukraine, or Georgia.
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By Asura.Echandra 2014-10-21 08:49:17  
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Tell that to the Ukraine, or Georgia.

THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAI....oh wait. You meant the other Georgia ~_~ Damn 'murica Geography
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-10-21 10:34:52  
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It is amazing how changing a single vowel, precisely placed, can alter the entire meaning of a sentence.

It's the end of the world, Mil! We don't have time for two proceeding syllables and tildes!
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-10-21 10:40:03  
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Hi. btw

HI!

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By Jetackuu 2014-10-21 11:00:30  
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By Enuyasha 2014-10-21 15:43:17  
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Jetackuu said: »


Tell that to the Ukraine, or Georgia.

THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAI....oh wait. You meant the other Georgia ~_~ Damn 'murica Geography
Lets hope Ebola didnt get into Palestine.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-10-21 15:47:26  
Enuyasha said: »
Asura.Echandra said: »
Jetackuu said: »


Tell that to the Ukraine, or Georgia.

THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAI....oh wait. You meant the other Georgia ~_~ Damn 'murica Geography
Lets hope Ebola didnt get into Palestine.

No loss there if it is Palestine, Texas.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-10-22 00:28:44  
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Jetackuu said: »
When you get some criticism from groups of doctors and or say the WHO then it will actually matter, until then everyone is overreacting and pandering.

You did get a group of physicians criticizing the cdc. Secondly nurses are healthcare professionals. Nursing and medicine are two very different fields, they both are very competent in epidemiology just in different ways.

Heads of nursing unions =/= nurses.

Which group of physicians?

Your definition of competence must vary greatly from what I consider it to be.

Sean G. Kaufman a public health scientist from Emory University was one individual who criticized the CDC. Docotor's Without Borders, a French based physician group criticized the CDC.

I'm not going to explain nursing as a science, that would take me several hours. You can wikipedia the difference between medicine and nursing. They have similarities but also some major differences. The point being that nursing isn't some "sub-par" science, nor is nursing solely to assist physicians.

Nursing as a field is not restricted solely to RNs and LVNs. It also includes NPs and DNPs. e.g. DNPs and MDs have very different methodologies but are both very qualified healthcare professionals in diagnosis and treatment. So yes nursing and medicine are both competent health care professionals when it comes to public health science.
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By Jetackuu 2014-10-22 00:43:12  
Going to just have to disagree on the last bit.

As for the "criticism" you're talking about: it's scientifically and medically unfounded.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-10-22 00:46:21  
Jetackuu said: »
Going to just have to disagree on the last bit.

As for the "criticism" you're talking about: it's scientifically and medically unfounded.

I can assure you that a Doctor of Nursing didn't toil through a doctoral program simply to assist a physician...
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By Jetackuu 2014-10-22 00:47:59  
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Going to just have to disagree on the last bit.

As for the "criticism" you're talking about: it's scientifically and medically unfounded.

I can assure you that a Doctor of Nursing didn't toil through a doctoral program simply to assist a physician...
Sorry, I should have clarified: that wasn't the part that I intended to say that I'll have to disagree with.

Not even going to touch that subject.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-10-22 00:53:40  
Sorry but a federal agency isn't always right. Nor is a federal agency the final authority when it comes to medicine or science. Academics and public health professionals have every right to scrutinize a federal public health agency. The fact that academics and healthcare professionals have come forward criticizing the CDC is pretty significant.
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By Jetackuu 2014-10-22 00:56:42  
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Sorry but a federal agency isn't always right. Academics and public health professionals have every right to scrutinize a federal public health agency. The fact that academics and healthcare professionals have come forward criticizing the CDC is pretty significant. It hardly is "unscientific."

I never said that they were always right, or that they shouldn't be criticized if it's necessary.

However it isn't, and the criticism is unfounded and very unscientific.


Stop using buzzwords, just because somebody is a "healthcare professional" doesn't mean they're qualified to give an accurate assessment of the situation, of which the most vocal against the CDC are most definitely not qualified (heads of nurses unions).

The way that Ebola is transmitted, standard safety protocols for infectious diseases are plenty sufficient if they're followed, obviously they weren't. This is a rather stupid virus, it's not easy to get. You do not need a full body suit and several layers of protection to prevent getting it. These are the facts, of which you, Nausi and these "healthcare professionals" are outright ignoring as it doesn't fit their/your narrative.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-10-22 00:58:55  
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However it isn't, and the criticism is unfounded and very unscientific.

Unfounded and unscientific according to whom?
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By Jetackuu 2014-10-22 01:02:32  
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
Jetackuu said: »
However it isn't, and the criticism is unfounded and very unscientific.

Unfounded and unscientific according to whom?
The criticism doesn't match up with the facts of how Ebola spreads, it's ridiculous to assert that a full hazmat suit is necessary for it, when it most certainly is not.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-10-22 01:03:25  
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The criticism doesn't match up with the facts of how Ebola spreads, it's ridiculous to assert that a full hazmat suit is necessary for it, when it most certainly is not.

Facts according to who?
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By Jetackuu 2014-10-22 01:03:58  
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Jetackuu said: »
The criticism doesn't match up with the facts of how Ebola spreads, it's ridiculous to assert that a full hazmat suit is necessary for it, when it most certainly is not.

Facts according to who?
The WHO, all the research done on Ebola, everything we know about the virus.

The pandering to the unfounded fear is disgusting and unwarranted.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-10-22 01:06:55  
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The WHO, all the research done on Ebola, everything we know about the virus.

The pandering to the unfounded fear is disgusting and unwarranted.

So what you are essentially saying is that federal agencies are the final authorities on scientific matters. Additionally, academics and other bodies have no authority or basis for legitimate opinions.

Makes perfect sense.
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By Jetackuu 2014-10-22 01:09:38  
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
Jetackuu said: »
The WHO, all the research done on Ebola, everything we know about the virus.

The pandering to the unfounded fear is disgusting and unwarranted.

So what you are essentially saying is that federal agencies are the final authorities on scientific matters. Additionally, academics and other bodies have no authority or basis for legitimate opinions.

Makes perfect sense.

I said no such thing, however when you have one of these "academics" or "other bodies" present verifiable contradictory evidence to the stated "facts" (which you haven't) then their opinions amount to a pile of ***.

Or are you going to dispute how Ebola is transmitted now?
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By Jetackuu 2014-10-22 01:12:23  
But go ahead, and listen to the 1 group and 1 side doctor versus reason, logic, facts if it makes you feel better.

Oh and the heads of the nurses' unions, since their opinion really matters...
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By Jetackuu 2014-10-22 01:13:19  
On another note: did you give Ebola to KN and Chaos? they've been MIA.
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By Altimaomega 2014-10-24 02:58:01  
Here is some more Ebola hysteria for everyone.

http://www.infowars.com/medical-professional-health-authorities-covering-up-ebola-cases-in-u-s/

Medical Martial Law FTW!!!
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-10-24 05:48:13  
Infowars - the gentlemen's National Enquirer
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By Bahamut.Malothar 2014-10-24 07:04:15  
NYC preparations. Most awkward line

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But at least one company — the city’s main supplier of body bags — is ready to pitch in should the outbreak turn into an all-out crisis.

“We have more than 100,000 bags on hand,” assured company vice president Basheer Mahar.

Grim business. XD

Had my own personal "scare" earlier in the week. Was catching up on this topic and came across the symptoms post, didn't really effect me at the time. But at work that day, someone mentioned a "what if scenario" with some of our workers; we've got a sizable portion of South African immigrants working at the facility. Went to fill up my water bottle at the not-so-sanitary-at-all water cooler on break, and it all instantly flashed in my head lol.
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By Fenrir.Atheryn 2014-10-24 07:05:28  
And in other news:

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NY doctor back from Guinea has Ebola, 1st in city

NEW YORK (AP) An emergency room doctor who recently returned to the city after treating Ebola patients in West Africa has tested positive for the virus, becoming the first case in the city and the fourth in the nation.

Mayor Bill de Blasio and Gov. Andrew Cuomo on Thursday urged residents not to be alarmed by the doctor's Ebola diagnosis, even as they described him riding the subway, taking a cab and bowling. De Blasio said all city officials followed "clear and strong" protocols in their handling and treatment of him.

"We want to state at the outset that New Yorkers have no reason to be alarmed," de Blasio said. "New Yorkers who have not been exposed are not at all at risk."

The doctor, Craig Spencer, a member of Doctors Without Borders who had been working in Guinea, returned six days ago and reported Thursday morning coming down with a 103-degree fever and diarrhea. He was being treated in an isolation ward at Manhattan's Bellevue Hospital, a designated Ebola center.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which will do a further test to confirm the initial results, has dispatched an Ebola response team to New York, and the city's disease detectives have been tracing Spencer's contacts to identify anyone who may be at risk.

The city's health commissioner, Mary Bassett, said Spencer's fiancee and two friends had been quarantined but showed no symptoms.

President Barack Obama spoke to Cuomo and de Blasio Thursday night and offered the federal government's support. He asked them to stay in close touch with Ron Klain, his "Ebola czar," and public health officials in Washington.

In the days before Spencer fell ill, he went on a 3-mile (5-kilometer) jog, went to the High Line park, rode the subway and, on Wednesday night, got a taxi to a Brooklyn bowling alley. Bassett said he felt fatigued Wednesday but not feverish until Thursday morning.

Health officials say the chances of the average New Yorker contracting Ebola, which is spread through direct contact with the bodily fluids of an infected person, are slim. Someone can't be infected just by being near someone who is sick with Ebola. Someone isn't contagious unless he is sick.

Bassett said the probability was "close to nil" that Spencer's subway ride would pose a risk. Still, the bowling alley was closed as a precaution, and Spencer's Harlem apartment was cordoned off. The Department of Health was on site across the street from the apartment building Thursday night, giving out information to area residents.

The Ebola epidemic in West Africa has killed about 4,800 people. In the United States, the first person diagnosed with the disease was a Liberian man, who fell ill days after arriving in Dallas and later died, becoming the only fatality. None of his relatives who had close contact with him got sick. Two nurses who treated him were infected and are hospitalized.

According to a rough timeline provided by city officials, Spencer felt fatigue Wednesday and when he felt worse Thursday he and his fiancee made a joint call to authorities to detail his symptoms and his travels. EMTs in full Ebola gear arrived and took him to Bellevue in an ambulance surrounded by police squad cars.

Doctors Without Borders, an international humanitarian organization, said per the guidelines it provides its staff members on their return from Ebola assignments, "the individual engaged in regular health monitoring and reported this development immediately." Travelers from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone must report in with health officials daily and take their temperature twice a day, as Spencer did.

Spencer, 33, works at NewYork-Presbyterian/Columbia University Medical Center. He had not seen any patients or been to the hospital since his return, the hospital said in a statement, calling him a "dedicated humanitarian" who "went to an area of medical crisis to help a desperately underserved population."

Four American aid workers, including three doctors, were infected with Ebola while working in Africa and were transferred to the U.S. for treatment in recent months. All recovered.

Health care workers are vulnerable because of close contact with patients when they are their sickest and most contagious. In West Africa this year, more than 440 health workers have contracted Ebola and about half have died.

Spencer is from Michigan and attended Wayne State University School of Medicine and Columbia's University Mailman School of Public Health.

According to his Facebook page, he left for West Africa via Brussels in mid-September. A photo shows him in full protective gear. He returned to Brussels Oct. 16.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-24 09:02:43  
So, we went from "there will never be a case of Ebola in the USA" to "We will prevent this disease from spreading out of Dallas" to this disease going to one of the most populous cities in the world.

It's Bush's fault!

Time to downplay this disease yet again and say that it's not going to spread to the west side of the US....
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