assuming for war, mnk and drk (maybe blu).
do ya think its better for tp and switch in foragers for ws?
or just stick to foragers?
thx
Aesir Mantle > Foragers For Tp?
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Aesir Mantle > Foragers for tp?
not sure if that 1% DA is enough to compensate for the loss of 3 str and 15 att
High weapon DMG jobs will probably find Aesir is better than Forager's and the best in acc-cap situations especially with sufficient attack buffs (note this is a very minor increase though).
Low weapon DMG jobs will want Forager's. Cuchulain's Mantle is still better for both if your accuracy is not capped. thx for quick answer. what if acc is capped?
Well, using the jobs in your question:
WAR - Dual Wield => Forager's WAR - Gaxe => Aesir MNK - harder. Probably Forager's... DRK - Aesir The difference between Aesir and Forager's on the 2handers is going to be less than a % in likelihood though (unless on Darksday where it's probably going to be just under 2%)! On the onehanders, Forager's is comfortably better. Math for BLU favored Forager's by a decent margin; MNK's higher attack and base damage is a factor but their WS:TP split is even lower so I'd still say Forager's.
How about Aesir Mantle vs Cuchulain's Mantle ? :o
Wouldn't a more correct answer be that if you need the attack from foragers to cap PDIF it would parse higher than the double attack? On birds its a value around 700 attack.
It all depends how much the Attack difference is contributing. Attack becomes less valuable as you approach pdif cap and ultimately only impacts the TP phase, whereas 1~2% DA gives you extra WS frequency as well. It's not an easy question and the increase is tiny anyway unless it's Darksday.
Cuch will always beat Aesir if you are using the full extent of the accuracy and not making unreasonable swaps to compensate for something (read: Haste). Lakshmi.Hypnotizd said: How about Aesir Mantle vs Cuchulain's Mantle ? :o Hades.Excelior said: Wouldn't a more correct answer be that if you need the attack from foragers to cap PDIF it would parse higher than the double attack? On birds its a value around 700 attack. thx for the answer. made me a lil confusing cause ppl only talked bout the 1% da, but never said a word bout the 8 att. if i get the chance imma get it.
but i think the most ppl will agree with me when i say, i get the earring first for my mnk 1% DA is terrible, foragers/cuchulains/amemet+1 are still better imo
Pretty sexy for my WHM though!
Technically yes it's better for TP gain but really, youll do much more DoT keeping Forager's on
Sylph.Sindri said: Technically yes it's better for TP gain but really, youll do much more DoT keeping Forager's on The question is, does the TP gain of the 1% DA beat the extra melee DoT from the small amount of Attack?
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. It all depends on the value of the Attack (and the fSTR!)
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New DA mantle vs Smi+1 on att capped Gekko
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Now this depends on the GKT you're using. If you're using Hagun, 1/1.975 * 0.01 = 0.506% increase in damage. if you're using notHagun, 1/1.6625 * 0.01 = 0.602% increase in damage. Both figures assuming Gorgets and double both for Darksday. STR5 is fSTR + 1.25 (assuming not capped) and WSC +2~4. Without dealing with the math here, Smilo+1 is going to beat it except in extreme cases when they will be about equal (Darksday, fSTR capped, low WSC). Hmm @ Raen/Night
Assuming the new Double Attack GAxe from ToM is better than Perdu (say 45% proc like joytoy), Aesir or Foragers? Sorry forgot to post gear.
Yes to Hagun and Gorget Elv 5/5 Str WS gear = RSE ammo, orc hat, gorget, bush, brutal, osode, alky, triumph, rajas, warwolf, usu leg, rutter On a single hit WS with /war does stacking DA have diminishing returns vs straight str? Situations like /War(10) + pole(2) + brutal(5) + askar body(2) + new mantle(1) would be 20% DA rate. Or 3% DA vs 10 str. Another even more situational use would be during Sekkinoki and Meiyko(sp) with Hachiman Jinpachi +1. I'm assuming the 3% DA from hachi would beat the 2 Str increase from orc helm (maybe wrong on that), but would stacking a full DA set here be helpful (with the xtra 3% from hachi head assuming that DA on ws doesn't suffer from diminishing returns) Quote: Hmm @ Raen/Night Assuming the new Double Attack GAxe from ToM is better than Perdu (say 45% proc like joytoy), Aesir or Foragers? for mnk att is always > then w/e (unless your acc is just *** & if u need a back item to cap your acc something is very wrong)
so charger > Cerberus+1 > Forager > amemet+1 > lolnqamemet > Aesir... (this is my opinion) but aesir is worth ***to a mnk i rather wear a nq amemet if i had too... if u do this fight and your a mnk aesir ear item > then the back item. str is NOT that much of an importance to a Mnk... *feels sad when a mnk is caught wearing a rajas ring* shame on you!
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Phoenix.Jovant said: for mnk att is always > then w/e (unless your acc is just *** & if u need a back item to cap your acc something is very wrong) so charger > Cerberus 1 > Forager > amemet 1 > lolnqamemet > Aesir... (this is my opinion) but aesir is worth ***to a mnk i rather wear a nq amemet if i had too... if u do this fight and your a mnk aesir ear item > then the back item. str is NOT that much of an importance to a Mnk... *feels sad when a mnk is caught wearing a rajas ring* shame on you! Also MNK can cap pDIF fairly easily during WS if the mob isn't too fierce thanks to Boost, at which point all that attack is doing jack ***for you and you'd be better off stacking mods. So many confusing formulas and terms I'm not 100% familiar with. I'll just let the smart guys do some parsing and see which is most practical ^^
Phoenix.Jovant said: for mnk att is always > then w/e (unless your acc is just *** & if u need a back item to cap your acc something is very wrong) so charger > Cerberus 1 > Forager > amemet 1 > lolnqamemet > Aesir... (this is my opinion) but aesir is worth ***to a mnk i rather wear a nq amemet if i had too... if u do this fight and your a mnk aesir ear item > then the back item. str is NOT that much of an importance to a Mnk... *feels sad when a mnk is caught wearing a rajas ring* shame on you! I was always taught and follow Haste> Acc> Atk> Str> Dex. Of course depending on whether acc is capped atk might edge on top of it. Shiva.Flionheart said: Phoenix.Jovant said: for mnk att is always > then w/e (unless your acc is just *** & if u need a back item to cap your acc something is very wrong) so charger > Cerberus 1 > Forager > amemet 1 > lolnqamemet > Aesir... (this is my opinion) but aesir is worth ***to a mnk i rather wear a nq amemet if i had too... if u do this fight and your a mnk aesir ear item > then the back item. str is NOT that much of an importance to a Mnk... *feels sad when a mnk is caught wearing a rajas ring* shame on you! I was always taught and follow Haste> Acc> Atk> Str> Dex. Of course depending on whether acc is capped atk might edge on top of it. For TPing, I couldn't agree more~ However, with the quoted post, Rajas is still great for h2h/1handers until you're able to get lava/whatever that other new ring is :X Shiva.Weewoo said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Phoenix.Jovant said: for mnk att is always > then w/e (unless your acc is just *** & if u need a back item to cap your acc something is very wrong) so charger > Cerberus 1 > Forager > amemet 1 > lolnqamemet > Aesir... (this is my opinion) but aesir is worth ***to a mnk i rather wear a nq amemet if i had too... if u do this fight and your a mnk aesir ear item > then the back item. str is NOT that much of an importance to a Mnk... *feels sad when a mnk is caught wearing a rajas ring* shame on you! I was always taught and follow Haste> Acc> Atk> Str> Dex. Of course depending on whether acc is capped atk might edge on top of it. For TPing, I couldn't agree more~ However, with the quoted post, Rajas is still great for h2h/1handers until you're able to get lava/whatever that other new ring is :X Oh yes, don't get me wrong that's not set in stone at all. My little rule is always bendable. 2 high stats on a ring for example is way way over something higher on the priority list. I normally change my gear around a lot and eyeball the damage tbh. I just got a fenrir earring tonight, and I'm interested on how that'll be over my Diabolos. Shiva.Flionheart said: Shiva.Weewoo said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Phoenix.Jovant said: for mnk att is always > then w/e (unless your acc is just *** & if u need a back item to cap your acc something is very wrong) so charger > Cerberus 1 > Forager > amemet 1 > lolnqamemet > Aesir... (this is my opinion) but aesir is worth ***to a mnk i rather wear a nq amemet if i had too... if u do this fight and your a mnk aesir ear item > then the back item. str is NOT that much of an importance to a Mnk... *feels sad when a mnk is caught wearing a rajas ring* shame on you! I was always taught and follow Haste> Acc> Atk> Str> Dex. Of course depending on whether acc is capped atk might edge on top of it. For TPing, I couldn't agree more~ However, with the quoted post, Rajas is still great for h2h/1handers until you're able to get lava/whatever that other new ring is :X Oh yes, don't get me wrong that's not set in stone at all. My little rule is always bendable. 2 high stats on a ring for example is way way over something higher on the priority list. I normally change my gear around a lot and eyeball the damage tbh. I just got a fenrir earring tonight, and I'm interested on how that'll be over my Diabolos. The problem is, changes like diabolos / fenrir are going to be impossible to eyeball. |
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