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By Odin.Dirtyfinger 2010-05-24 17:11:24  
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If you bothered to read this wall'o'text good for you!! You've just wasted another few minutes of your life =)

Mate it took me all of about 10 seconds to read that post. Unlike you I'm actually educated enough to read without the aid of an adult helper around, also not naive enough to appreciate there are people out there with different color skin to me.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-05-24 17:11:34  
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Yeah mate love it down this hole, all i can do is swear at you from down here..... lol what ever mate.
Cool, thanks for proving my point.
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By Bahamut.Aiyana 2010-05-24 17:16:38  
I'm somewhat afraid to reply to my own thread, I think.. The hell happened here?

My questions were pretty much answered in the first page or so, should I have done something like "/thread"?

It's hard to have a gear set that sucks. You take what you have, do the best you can with it, and then find a list of things you need to do to improve yourself. If your gear set sucks, you are just plain doing it wrong.

For example. My mage jobs still use 3int rings, and I don't really even have MND rings. This is bad, and inferior. I have several options:
I can buy 4int/mnd rings, potentially selling some other pricey item.
Or I can just suffer with what I have and work toward certain goals. (Omega ring comes to mind. Working on that 6MND ring from Krab aswell.)

When idiots pop up with their "awesome gear set that does X and Y", but haven't done research or asked for advice, then claim they do AMAZING based on foggy testimony from other people.. It's a scary thought that they then try to help others with their misinformation.

Parse yourself. If you can't, don't talk about parses - ever. Do not compare yourself to others. What was your damage/time ratio? The goal is More Damage/Less Time.
I can compare myself to a full Usu sam who just bought his account off eBay, and I can compare myself with someone like Vegetto - who has posted parses that are quite exceptional. Similar gear, different results. None of this matters though, only MY damage matters to ME.

On a less serious note, has anyone ever done the maths on the 3x Riceball gear setup for SAM and just how it compares to a non-optimal SAM set? (Think, first level 75 job perhaps) It's likely inferior, but is interesting nonetheless.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-24 17:22:27  
Well it'd depend on what you're fighting really. Cause if you're talking for things like Ejar limbus anything where your pizza doesn't get sntached, you're going to want pizza. And for birds, you will cap attack way before getting the full benefit of the riceball attack
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-05-24 17:23:56  
The lack of accuracy from food really hurts anything but a really shiny SAM, at which point Usu and ideal/near ideal mix-match sets are probably available. Part of the reason it doesn't measure up is the level of buffs you're looking at in a good meripo; some of that attack will go to waste when Berserk is up and it's certainly subject to dramatically reduced impact on your DPS regardless. If you found something with higher defense and ideally lower evasion it could work alright for a less shiny SAM.
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By Bahamut.Aiyana 2010-05-24 17:32:49  
The only thing that immediately comes to mind are Campaign mobs. I've noticed massively reduced damage on them, but find it's almost automatic capped accuracy.

I've speculated it is because they have exceptionally high defense (So attack would help), but haven't really had the buffs to get my attack to astronomical levels to test this. Perhaps it is another factor?

And yes. It is campaign. It is not difficult. Still, why not do the best you can anyway?

However, even in this situation - as a SAM who can wear all 3 Rice Ball gears, you lose a whopping 11% haste in doing it. Completely unbuffed, that seems like an unacceptable loss in WS frequency for 150att.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-24 17:37:17  
Well, w/o knowing their exact defense, I can't tell you how much of an increase it'd be, but losing 11% haste, even w/o haste buffs is going to be a minimum of 11% DoT and WS frequency. So the attack would have to be at least that much of an increase. And remember, it's 150 attack total, so let's say we have a yellow curry bun, 75 attack.

You're only gaining 75 attack in comparison, as opposed to the advertised 150 attack.

Also though, for campaign, you'd get more exp/notes on /dnc w/ soboro
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-05-24 17:38:56  
You wouldn't wear them all during TP phase, unless that somehow interferes with the build. Makes it even less appealing though since it's not fully active except on WS.
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By Bahamut.Aiyana 2010-05-24 17:48:48  
Good point on that Yellow Curry Bun. That absolutely invalidates the use of only 1 Rice Ball gear, granting you -less- attack. (75>50) While wasting whatever slot you put that rice ball gear in.

Campaign was just an example. I don't use SAM for that anyway, and if I did - /dnc and soboro for survival really.

And I believe the person advocating the riceball build as an alternative was TPing in the feet, which could make sense for the Store TP, I guess.
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By Asura.Donomar 2010-05-24 18:40:07  
I think he finally gave up on defending his gear set. People like that is the reason we have all these retarded SAMs running around.
If ur going to level a job or have a job at 75 do some reasearch before u can start talking trash.
Glad OP has common sense
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By Valefor.Ryukuro 2010-05-24 19:54:38  
Odin.Dirtyfinger said:
Valefor.Ryukuro said:
If you bothered to read this wall'o'text good for you!! You've just wasted another few minutes of your life =)

Mate it took me all of about 10 seconds to read that post. Unlike you I'm actually educated enough to read without the aid of an adult helper around, also not naive enough to appreciate there are people out there with different color skin to me.
Oh snap! nice one, you get those insults off your sister? im hurt, cut me deep, please stop i can't take it anymore, IM A RACIST AHMAGAWD, ***...
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By Valefor.Ryukuro 2010-05-24 19:55:42  
Asura.Donomar said:
I think he finally gave up on defending his gear set. People like that is the reason we have all these retarded SAMs running around.
If ur going to level a job or have a job at 75 do some reasearch before u can start talking trash.
Glad OP has common sense

Never defvended in the first place, i admitted from the first post i ever made that my gear sets are ***atm, what I did say is that my riceball set was working well for ME! Everyone had to jump on the wagon though and tell me how wrong I am, which is fine you are all entitled to your opinion, i know my gear is FAR FAR from perfect, I dont claim to be the best, I don't claim to know everything, unlike some people here. I don't pour my life into FFXI like most of you do and i don't spend 24/7 in front of the screen either, I do what i can with the time i have and im happy with it, slowly building up from quitiing and losing everything bar r/e gear, im satisifed where im at at the moment, if you aren't stiff ***idc =) .......... good job dude!
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-24 19:57:44  
Valefor.Ryukuro said:
Asura.Donomar said:
I think he finally gave up on defending his gear set. People like that is the reason we have all these retarded SAMs running around.
If ur going to level a job or have a job at 75 do some reasearch before u can start talking trash.
Glad OP has common sense

Never defvended in the first place, i admitted from the first post i ever made that my gear sets are ***atm........ good job dude!
lol you can call them ***but when I do, I'm elitist?
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By Valefor.Ryukuro 2010-05-24 20:03:26  
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Valefor.Ryukuro said:
Asura.Donomar said:
I think he finally gave up on defending his gear set. People like that is the reason we have all these retarded SAMs running around.
If ur going to level a job or have a job at 75 do some reasearch before u can start talking trash.
Glad OP has common sense

Never defvended in the first place, i admitted from the first post i ever made that my gear sets are ***atm........ good job dude!
lol you can call them ***but when I do, I'm elitist?

It's different when someone else constantly tells you compared to admission of said facts, yes.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2010-05-24 20:05:58  
cool story, bro.
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By Valefor.Ryukuro 2010-05-24 20:06:26  
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cool story, bro.
/end sarcasm
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-24 20:07:38  
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cool story, bro.
New monitor came in today
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By Valefor.Ryukuro 2010-05-24 20:10:00  
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Fairy.Ghaleon said:
cool story, bro.
New monitor came in today
So cool....
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-24 20:12:07  
Valefor.Ryukuro said:
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Fairy.Ghaleon said:
cool story, bro.
New monitor came in today
So cool....
I know
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-05-24 20:12:10  
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Fairy.Ghaleon said:
cool story, bro.
New monitor came in today

How big?!
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-24 20:20:11  
25 inch
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-05-24 20:22:17  
Oh, that's nearly as big as

well it's actually bigger than mine =(
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By Asura.Donomar 2010-05-24 20:37:01  
I am not even going to bother re quoting, I give up.
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By Valefor.Ryukuro 2010-05-24 22:19:12  
Asura.Donomar said:
I am not even going to bother re quoting, I give up.
=)
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By Valefor.Ryukuro 2010-05-25 07:59:05  
Edit: wow that looks retarded its all over the *** place =/ meh anyways, theres one he gave me, 2x BRD - Min/March Min/March.

Damage Summary
Player Total Dmg Damage % Melee Dmg Range Dmg Abil. Dmg WSkill Dmg Spell Dmg Other Dmg
Ryukuro 250059 41.78 % 82751 0 0 164493 0 2815
Ryota 118876 19.86 % 56006 0 0 62870 0 0
Neokenesis 228076 38.11 % 94442 0 0 132643 0 991
SC: Fusion 1530 0.26 % 0 0 0 0 0 0
Total 598541 100.00 % 233199 0 0 360006 0 3806


Melee Damage
Player Melee Dmg Melee % Hit/Miss M.Acc % M.Low/Hi M.Avg #Crit C.Low/Hi C.Avg Crit%
Ryukuro 82751 33.09 % 517/63 89.14 % 48/272 136.11 99 182/371 261.20 19.15 %
Ryota 56006 47.11 % 467/65 87.78 % 60/168 106.32 64 147/282 205.61 13.70 %
Neokenesis 94442 41.41 % 487/57 89.52 % 93/301 177.93 58 228/381 312.24 11.91 %


Other Physical Damage (Counterattacks and Retaliations)
Player CA.Dmg CA.Hit/Miss CA.Low/Hi CA.Avg Ret.Dmg Ret.Hit/Miss Ret.Low/Hi Ret.Avg
Ryukuro 2815 23/0 63/239 122.39 0 0/0 0/0 0.00
Neokenesis 991 6/0 110/245 165.17 0 0/0 0/0 0.00


Weaponskill Damage
Player WSkill Dmg WSkill % Hit/Miss WS.Acc % WS.Low/Hi WS.Avg
Ryukuro 164493 65.78 % 120/0 100.00 % 717/2562 1570.78
- Penta Thrust 164493 100.00 % 120/0 100.00 % 717/2562 1570.78
Ryota 62870 52.89 % 76/2 97.44 % 520/1222 827.24
- Tachi: Gekko 57286 91.12 % 70/2 97.22 % 520/1098 818.37
- Tachi: Kasha 4972 7.91 % 5/0 100.00 % 792/1222 994.40
- Tachi: Yukikaze 612 0.97 % 1/0 100.00 % 612/612 612.00
Neokenesis 132643 58.16 % 85/0 100.00 % 703/2300 1560.51
- Penta Thrust 132643 100.00 % 85/0 100.00 % 703/2300 1560.51


Ability Damage
Player Abil. Dmg Abil. % Hit/Miss A.Acc % A.Low/Hi A.Avg
Ryota 0 0.00 % 1/0 100.00 % 0/0 0.00
- Blade Bash 0 0.00 % 1/0 100.00 % 0/0 0.00


Skillchain Damage
Skillchain SC Dmg # SC SC.Low/Hi SC.Avg
SC: Fusion 1530 3 366/663 510.00
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By Odin.Dirtyfinger 2010-05-25 11:16:34  
So let me get this right. It was 2x SAM with Polearm (Both using Rice Balls) VS another SAM using Great Katana?

Why are you showing this?

For a start.

1. Min/Mad only benefits you and your samurai friend, not the Great Katana SAM.

2. The 3rd SAM is using Great Katana.

3. Even if you say the other SAM isn't using Rice Balls I know he doesn't have any Polearm merits and you're 8/8.

4. I don't know what gear the others are using.

5. You're still retarded.

6. As above.

7. Try again but harder please, also you could have just wrote this down and not be correct.
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By Valefor.Ryukuro 2010-05-26 10:49:47  
Odin.Dirtyfinger said:
So let me get this right. It was 2x SAM with Polearm (Both using Rice Balls) VS another SAM using Great Katana?

Why are you showing this?

For a start.

1. Min/Mad only benefits you and your samurai friend, not the Great Katana SAM.

2. The 3rd SAM is using Great Katana.

3. Even if you say the other SAM isn't using Rice Balls I know he doesn't have any Polearm merits and you're 8/8.

4. I don't know what gear the others are using.

5. You're still retarded.

6. As above.

7. Try again but harder please, also you could have just wrote this down and not be correct.
Odin.Dirtyfinger said:
1. Min/Mad only benefits you and your samurai friend, not the Great Katana SAM.
Valefor.Ryukuro said:
Edit: wow that looks retarded its all over the *** place =/ meh anyways, theres one he gave me, 2x BRD - Min/March Min/March.

1. Mainly to put up proof that everyone was asking for, it wasn't the one I was talking about but its something, hey at least im making the effort.

2. Correct

3.Other SAM is using riceball set also yes. Yes I am 8/8, and yes friend is 4/8 ^^ Although his gear is far superior to mine. Tp and WS sets.

4. Well he doesn't have a Pole Set made up, but this is his GKT set.

Uses Tomoe, Shadow Gorget, Usu Body, Usu Feet etc.

5. Your still an assclown.

6.Yes still an assclown.

7.No i didn't write any ***down i copy and pasted from the file he sent me >.> To be honest i held TP a bit in that party and never really spammed WS like i should have. Wasn't really trying to hard to perform well at all.

Edit: tonights party, this prolly gona look like ***and all over the place again, sorry....

Damage Summary
Player Total Dmg Damage % Melee Dmg Range Dmg Abil. Dmg WSkill Dmg Spell Dmg Other Dmg
Mattyc 56420 15.44 % 32575 0 0 23845 0 0
Neokenesis 127256 34.83 % 38314 0 0 88283 0 659
Ravel 47615 13.03 % 25196 0 0 22419 0 0
Ryukuro 131213 35.91 % 49792 0 0 81142 0 279
Taruo 125 0.03 % 0 0 0 0 125 0
SC: Compression 247 0.07 % 0 0 0 0 0 0
SC: Fusion 451 0.12 % 0 0 0 0 0 0
SC: Reverberation 57 0.02 % 0 0 0 0 0 0
SC: Transfixion 1998 0.55 % 0 0 0 0 0 0
Total 365382 100.00 % 145877 0 0 215689 125 938


Melee Damage
Player Melee Dmg Melee % Hit/Miss M.Acc % M.Low/Hi M.Avg #Crit C.Low/Hi C.Avg Crit%
Mattyc 32575 57.74 % 198/43 82.16 % 25/236 148.94 27 126/328 263.22 13.64 %
Neokenesis 38314 30.11 % 235/30 88.68 % 0/283 149.82 38 92/341 231.58 16.17 %
Ravel 25196 52.92 % 748/42 94.68 % 0/90 31.17 76 0/137 55.91 10.16 %
Ryukuro 49792 37.95 % 257/37 87.41 % 0/298 173.33 33 0/400 332.30 12.84 %


Other Physical Damage (Counterattacks and Retaliations)
Player CA.Dmg CA.Hit/Miss CA.Low/Hi CA.Avg Ret.Dmg Ret.Hit/Miss Ret.Low/Hi Ret.Avg
Neokenesis 659 4/0 134/196 164.75 0 0/0 0/0 0.00
Ryukuro 279 2/0 112/167 139.50 0 0/0 0/0 0.00


Weaponskill Damage
Player WSkill Dmg WSkill % Hit/Miss WS.Acc % WS.Low/Hi WS.Avg
Mattyc 23845 42.26 % 24/1 96.00 % 353/1571 993.54
- Raging Rush 19286 80.88 % 20/0 100.00 % 353/1571 964.30
- Steel Cyclone 4559 19.12 % 4/1 80.00 % 837/1325 1139.75
Neokenesis 88283 69.37 % 66/0 100.00 % 0/2510 1337.62
- Penta Thrust 88283 100.00 % 66/0 100.00 % 0/2510 1337.62
Ravel 22419 47.08 % 31/5 86.11 % 184/1068 723.19
- Detonator 15482 69.06 % 22/1 95.65 % 184/982 703.73
- Slug Shot 6937 30.94 % 9/4 69.23 % 197/1068 770.78
Ryukuro 81142 61.84 % 49/0 100.00 % 0/2787 1655.96
- Penta Thrust 81142 100.00 % 49/0 100.00 % 0/2787 1655.96

Had COR and BRD. They never stuck to same songs and rolls they kept changing the ***all through the PT, was a bit annoying, at some stages they were doing Min/March, Chaos/Samarai rolls other stages of the PT was using Min/March, Cor/Fighters or Samurai rolls. Was a bit all over the place =/. Anyhow take it as you will, I think 1655 avg ws dmg is ok, not omgelite but ok for the ***gear i use =). The 0 WS dmg was from a Wivre lol, triend to Penta from the front at one point =/



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By Odin.Dirtyfinger 2010-05-26 12:36:48  
Sorry but I won't reply anymore as I think you must have forgotten what the debate actually was. This parse is still 2x Rice Ball SAM which isn't what was intended, also you said the songs are all over the place and this and that so it's kinda irrelevant.

To sum it up. You play however you want to of course I'm not going to try and convince which is better as it doesn't matter either way. You have your set which relies on getting an ACC buff (the parse above must have been with one knowing what your set is), and the other have near capped ACC from gear & use meat food and 2x march or whatever, just no ACC buff.


You may be able to produce higher WS DMG than me but I prefer consistent DMG overall. Which is better? You have your opinion and I have mine, but please realise you're outnumbered on what you feel is best so maybe it is best to keep it to yourself knowing that you will be judged.