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 Hades.Excelior
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By Hades.Excelior 2010-05-29 19:33:50  
Ok so I have a friend who has amano but they do not have any salvage gear. I'm looking to help them maximize their gear without salvage but I can not find a way for them to gain 6 hit without sacrificing massive ammounts of accuracy/haste. Anyone know what TP builds should be used if you do not have usu? My initial assumption was that she should just use a 7 hit and still stack haste/accuracy.
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By Sylph.Kimble 2010-05-29 19:37:18  
I think if you only use Kaiten with Askar body you can keep 6 hit up.

Ill get back to you if you can do it with just gear and not salvage though.
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By Sylph.Ashaaman 2010-05-29 19:37:57  
I'm not a SAM, but if they're willing to use Kaiten, Kaiten + Rajas + 1 piece of Hachi gear should 6-hit them?

Edit, forgot about Askar body, yeah... Kaiten is 7, Rajas 5, and Askar body would give them a total of 17, and I think Amano only needs 15 sTP for 6-hit. If someone could double check this for me, would be nice.
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By Siren.Enternius 2010-05-29 19:38:15  
Going from a 7-hit to a 6-hit is a 17% increase in WS frequency, as long as you don't sacrifice that much Haste, you're getting a net boost.

As far as sTP, Tachi: Kaiten gives a rather large sTP boost. I don't have any math on hand, and I'm sure Vegetto will come in and tell me I'm wrong if I do provide math anyway, so I'll let him do that.
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By Hades.Excelior 2010-05-29 19:41:22  
Well I already did all the math, it requires 52 STP to gain 6 hit assuming u have full STP on your WS set. Aftermath is 7 stp, rajas is 5, merits/JA is 30. That puts you at 42 and you still fall 10 short. She uses askar body/store tp hands atm but that's a shitload of accuracy gone. They parse about 80% accuracy in merit partys due to this which is completely horrid. However, like you said its a 17% increase in WS frequency so they badly needs the 6 hit as well.
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By Sylph.Kimble 2010-05-29 19:41:55  
So, you can use

Askar body + Rose strap + Brutal + Rajas + Ecphoria Ring or White Tathlum.

Now, when you WS, you will have to WS in all that but can replace Ecphoria Ring or White Tahtlum with something else and keep 6 hit.
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By Siren.Enternius 2010-05-29 19:43:30  
Merits/JT is 35.

Only need 10 sTP through gear assuming you use Kaiten. Rajas/Rose Strap/Brutal Earring.
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By Hades.Excelior 2010-05-29 19:44:16  
Sylph.Kimble said:
So, you can use Askar body Rose strap Brutal Rajas Ecphoria Ring or White Tathlum. Now, when you WS, you will have to WS in all that but can replace Ecphoria Ring or White Tahtlum with something else and keep 6 hit.

That's still pretty horrible accuracy. Basically its going to need to be an option that allows you to keep haubergeon+1.
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By Sylph.Kimble 2010-05-29 19:47:17  
Well, Amano does add +20 acc but I doubt you are going to get 6 hit with hauby unless you spam kaiten or use hachi hands.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-05-29 19:47:33  
Are they eating pizza?
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By Siren.Enternius 2010-05-29 19:48:10  
Sylph.Kimble said:
Well, Amano does add 20 acc but I doubt you are going to get 6 hit with hauby unless you spam kaiten or use hachi hands.
Siren.Enternius said:
Merits/JT is 35.

Only need 10 sTP through gear assuming you use Kaiten. Rajas/Rose Strap/Brutal Earring.
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By Sylph.Kimble 2010-05-29 19:50:09  
Well, I re did math, and if you tp in Askar body + Rose strap + Brutal + Rajas + Ecphoria Ring + White Tathlum you would only need to WS in Rajas, Rose and Burtal to keep 6 hit.

This is for Y/G/K btw.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Brayenn 2010-05-29 19:55:44  
how can they have such awful acc in a merit pt ? w/o salvage and an askar body and not even a 2nd acc ring im looking at 419 acc? in any case can they not eat pizza if they need acc?
 
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By Sylph.Kimble 2010-05-29 20:06:14  
Did you make that helm for Penta thrust?

Is the attack from belt and ring going to outdo STR?
 
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By Sylph.Kimble 2010-05-29 20:09:43  
Hmm, I would think WSDMG +2% would do more than 5 attack.

Unless Kaiten doesnt get an acc boost like YGK?
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By Caitsith.Linear 2010-05-29 20:11:39  
It doesn't have an attack boost, iirc.

Or, at least not as large as YGK.
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By Sylph.Kimble 2010-05-29 20:13:38  
I know it doesnt get an attack boost as large, but I would think the STR you get from waist and ring slot would out do the 8 attack.

I could be wrong, and 8 attack does more than 10 STR (warwolf+flame)
 
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By Sylph.Kimble 2010-05-29 20:16:48  
So, Kaiten DOESN'T get an Acc boost like Y/G/K?
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By Caitsith.Linear 2010-05-29 20:18:47  
It did last I heard.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Brayenn 2010-05-29 20:20:53  
kaiten should have an acc boost.. i think someone has tested it out. Also warwolf + flame ring = 7.5 atk as opposed to 8atk and 16acc. even without the atk bonus like gekko and such i think 10str 7atk will do more then the 8atk
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By Sylph.Kimble 2010-05-29 20:21:26  
Ok, might want to rework your Kaiten set a bit then ;p
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-05-29 20:31:04  
No relic WS gets an attack boost; as far as I know they all get the one-hit acc boost. I can confirm Kaiten does, posted a link to data for it a few times.

For Mabrook's set up there, Hachi pants would be better than Usukane without question... 5 STR vs 1.25 attack, no brainer. The acc pieces should go to full damage pieces as mentioned. Fierce Belt is better than Warwolf at times, I'll try and dig up the rough value where that changes.
 
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-05-29 20:33:02  
Lakshmi.Mabrook said:
As far as what I've noticed and heard, Kaiten is actually considered and tested to be a 2-hit WS even though it looks and feels as if it is a one-hit but it isn't, so no go on an acc boost 8(
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-05-29 20:40:16  
Your Amanos are *** stupid if they can't count TP return properly.

Since it needs to be linked again.
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By Sylph.Kimble 2010-05-29 20:42:19  
The 2nd hit was most likely a DA proc, lol.
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