SAM Get Archery Upgrade To A- In Update!!!! Return Of SAM/RNG?

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SAM get Archery upgrade to A- in update!!!! Return of SAM/RNG?
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-06-01 22:20:07  
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said:
Comparatively to 2 handers? No, there's just a lot more factors to job comparisons than simply stating x job beats x job regardless of gear or player ability.

In most situations that is the case. 2h have a slight advantage due to being able to sub samurai and gain meditate as well as Hasso however.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-06-01 22:21:36  
Comparatively to 2handers, mnk is still a contender, UNTIL you have a dancer. Then the bonus from hasso just goes crazy. Is mnk a contender on birds? No, that's because of the 25% piercing bonus. Go to a neutral mob such as mamools, limbus, dyna, ejar, ect and mnk is very much still a contender.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-06-01 22:23:17  
I know, I agree, I said a 2hander would tank a 1hander if the conditions were the same, ie: player ability etc. And of course SAM in general has advantages over other DDs like DRK in certain situations, I just disagree that an average SAM could beat a well geared other job on fair terms.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-06-01 22:24:48  
I understand that, but the amount of times I've been told before sky for example (This was before brd) that I couldn't join as dd due to not having sam is ridiculous.

I know my gear is pretty bad on mnk, but I've still got logical gear, stacking haste and acc for example.

I easily out damage bad sams in WS and DoT, but I find it hard to keep up with WS damage with a sam at about the same level of gear as I am.

Maybe I'm eyeballing, Idk.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-06-01 22:31:03  
Haha I used to be in that boat, never got to do much as MNK in sky.
Also, your WS dmg probably won't ever reach the average SAMs or other 2 handers pull off. Your DoT should be sufficient enough to have you parse well against them though. Unless it's on birds or something, then SAM has the piercing bonus.
But yeah, endgame wise 2 handers generally have an advantage over 1 handers and get favored for it.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-06-01 22:32:11  
MNK needs hand straps. Not sure what stat could be built into it though lol.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-06-01 22:34:04  
*** straps, give hasso. That's the only thing that makes 2handers better. 2hand update, sure it helps, but doesn't make or break ***. Take that 10% haste off, or give mnk the 10% haste, goes back to before 2hand update where mnk was king, lol
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-06-01 22:36:17  
They should make a colibri style undead camp so we get our blunt bonus too. KRT 2.0
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-06-01 22:36:34  
Do that and let the ***storm of sam and war begin!

Looking forward to level 99 mnk though, Gonna be hard to play it over brd >.>
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-06-01 22:37:02  
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said:
They should make a colibri style undead camp so we get our blunt bonus too. KRT 2.0

Undead colibri?
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-06-01 22:38:46  
colibri is krt 2.0 its just piercing burn instead of mnk burn lol
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-06-01 22:39:35  
lol, bird skeletons flying around would be *** creepy
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-06-01 22:44:18  
undead birds would be a sick new mob though lol...can't aspir spam them like normal colibri, but you can smash um with blunt weapons hehe
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-06-01 22:48:56  
even if they were undead birds it wouldn't be for mnk what polearm is for sam. Can't think of mobs where h2h gets close to the 25% bonus piercing does on birds.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-06-01 22:50:21  
Actually, pots, but those aren't undead.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-06-01 22:51:21  
I wish there was a camp of enemies that had different types (Think beastmen) where each different type was weak to a certain damage.

So MNK's would have 25% on one mob, Polearm would have 25% on another and slicing 25% on another. Even make mage mobs where they can be nuked (not necessary) Make it so they don't link or aggro and have relatively low HP and you have the best camp possible lol.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-06-01 22:51:59  
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Actually, pots, but those aren't undead.


I love raping pots in sky, hitting for high WS dmg with pizza :D
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