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 Valefor.Argettio
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By Valefor.Argettio 2010-06-05 04:32:41  
OK...

MKD head
MKD head should always be 4STR, 15 WSACC 2% dmg

This is the best damage head for nearly every job (mnk being the main exception).

Even with a polearm, the 2% easily beats 5 attack.

For 5 attack to give a 2% increase in damage you need 250 attack or less. A SAM will average nearly double that (when using zerk)

Penta accuracy
You should be eating sushi or pizza any time you use polearm and wearing full haste for TP and near full attack/mods for WS (yes in some situations you can get away with meat, but they aren't really worth mentioning)

Build your pole sets around 360-380 accuracy and with the correct food you will be capped on most things that are worth using polearm on.

GKT TP sets
There is a very very strong argument for GKT SAM eating sushi (specifically sole) as meat effectively does very little for your WS damage as your attack will be capped on most things with Gekko. Your TP damage on high end mobs is epic lol any way. So all this allows your TP build to have more HASTE with increases the WS frequency, which is SAMs real power, no WS power (although it's good at that too).

Having multiple TP sets is important, but its not as simple as 'I need more acc so I will just put Cucl and Ace's on' you need to consider changing food to so you can maintain your haste level.

Other Pole stuff

Its too early in the morning for me to do too much here, some other people have touched on it though. Check your 5 hit. Usu body is the best pole TP body (and has use for GKT).

For colibri specifically you will need to consider if your capping attack (depends on buffs and debuffs) as that changes a few things.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2010-06-05 04:34:00  
@dark

what do merits have to do with capping hitrate..........
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By Siren.Clinpachi 2010-06-05 04:34:02  
Ghaleon said:
well, since you DO have vbelt, and im certain your going to attempt to get dusk+1 eventually i just figured you would go for capped haste set when acc = capped. which wins vs DA when paired with spells (haste,march,samba) 1% haste is huge with all that stacked, pretty sure it beats 11attack and 2% DA lol.

so if you have no buffs, then sure keep usu shoes.

if you have buffs = your going to want capped haste.

all comes down to situation/how many tp sets do you want to make :x

Sadly the vbelt is in the works, you'll notice on the OP i have green/red dots noting which i have obtained sofar. I have other things i'm selling/doing to obtain/merc what I'm missing.

I can focus on obvious upgrades such as dusk+1 when the time comes and i actually have everything else that is important.
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By Shiva.Weewoo 2010-06-05 04:35:25  
Siren.Clinpachi said:
Shiva.Weewoo said:
Forgive my ignorance but what exactly would be the accuracy difference between PCC and gtk torque assuming acc is uncapped?
PCC only gives ACC 10

if ACC is capped with justice torque you get only 6.something acc however it gives almost 10 attack (9.5 iirc).

With bushinomimi it bumps you to 304 Gkatana skill with capped 8/8 gkatana merits.

A shame gtk doesn't gain much benefits from attack since it gets such a boost from using YGK. Using a PCC makes much more sense now. For some reason my mind was still thinking of polearms. Best part of love torque is it adds atk & acc, but also gives 5 dex which works great even with penta :3

2:30 AM is *** with my head, time for bed.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-06-05 04:35:31  
Fairy.Ghaleon said:
@dark

what do merits have to do with capping hitrate..........

GK merits I mean.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2010-06-05 04:35:32  
@argetto

plz...stop lol. he already said in original post hes making a setup w/o usu body. also half the crap u just spewed out is horribly 1sided/wrong lol.

and i would so quote u, but they arent working <.>
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By Valefor.Argettio 2010-06-05 04:36:03  
Oh and I forgot...

/DRG for GKT.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2010-06-05 04:36:31  
@clin

ope, myb :P go get vbelt! join the vbelt alliance! >o
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2010-06-05 04:37:04  
Valefor.Argettio said:
Oh and I forgot...

/DRG for GKT.

for soboro yes.
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By Valefor.Argettio 2010-06-05 04:37:04  
Fairy.Ghaleon said:
@argetto

plz...stop lol. he already said in original post hes making a setup w/o usu body. also half the crap u just spewed out is horribly 1sided/wrong lol.

and i would so quote u, but they arent working <.>

What about what I said is wrong?

I was say Usu body is the best, therefore worth persuing
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By Valefor.Argettio 2010-06-05 04:38:46  
Fairy.Ghaleon said:
Valefor.Argettio said:
Oh and I forgot...

/DRG for GKT.

for soboro yes.

Cos haste only works on multi-hit weapons?
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By Siren.Clinpachi 2010-06-05 04:40:03  
Only reason i left out usu body is because it's slightly out of reach. More so than the others that is.

I woulnd't say it was all wrong in either case.

The 5 hit was checked and fixed as far as i know even though i feel slightly misplaced with it... i feel it can still be improved



Posted again so people don't have to keep swapping pages.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2010-06-05 04:41:39  
inc manual quotes

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"MKD head should always be 4STR, 15 WSACC 2% dmg"

the worst one yet
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"You should be eating sushi or pizza any time you use polearm and wearing full haste for TP and near full attack/mods for WS (yes in some situations you can get away with meat, but they aren't really worth mentioning)"

oh i lied, this is worse :(
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"There is a very very strong argument for GKT SAM eating sushi (specifically sole) as meat effectively does very little for your WS damage as your attack will be capped on most things with Gekko. Your TP damage on high end mobs is epic lol any way."






(nice ninja edit on the 10attack amk head :] )


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By Shiva.Weewoo 2010-06-05 04:41:56  
Fairy.Ghaleon said:
Valefor.Argettio said:
Oh and I forgot...

/DRG for GKT.

for soboro yes.

Thought soboro was nothing more than a /RNG toy now?
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By Siren.Clinpachi 2010-06-05 04:43:26  
Shiva.Weewoo said:
Fairy.Ghaleon said:
Valefor.Argettio said:
Oh and I forgot...

/DRG for GKT.

for soboro yes.

Thought soboro was nothing more than a /RNG toy now?
/RNG and ballista is where i used mine.

Soboro loves to eat shadows up lol.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2010-06-05 04:45:22  
Valefor.Argettio said:
Fairy.Ghaleon said:
Valefor.Argettio said:
Oh and I forgot...

/DRG for GKT.

for soboro yes.

Cos haste only works on multi-hit weapons?


no, but i was just informing you that soboro is actually really nice used /drg lol

when jump procs on a 2-3x proc it gives that much tp back xD its very nice. you should try it sometime.

aside from that, /drg is situational for regular gkt, if your not at capped* acc and going to be able to tp on said hnm then yes, /drg is a very viable option w/ wyvern earring. (even w/ pole build, you can do a few /drg + wyvern earring sets)

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By Shiva.Weewoo 2010-06-05 04:46:05  
Also for capped levels (won't see that much with CoP caps going away) when 40 base DMG is pretty decent and having multi-hit is OMG-AWESOME!
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2010-06-05 04:46:25  
i wanna try Sam/drg w/ riceball build :Q
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By Valefor.Argettio 2010-06-05 04:46:34  
I ninja edited the 10 attack to 5 as I miss-remembered.

I showed 2% damage > 5 attack, so I am right.

Full Usukane SAM polearm eating meat has been shown to:
a) not cap acc on birds
b) be worse than a mix and match set with full haste while eating sushi

The same maths applies to other polearm mobs.

As for the GKT eating sushi... check the maths, I does work in the right situation
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By Shiva.Weewoo 2010-06-05 04:48:42  
All I really know is /DRG makes it significantly easier to cap haste thanks to that earring. Making accuracy a free for all since you can wear ace's helm or askar helm without sacrificing anything, not to mention the initial accuracy bonus trait subbing dragoon would give in the first place.

But personally I just have a lot more fun subbing warrior for the most part. I don't really mind sporting the turban.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2010-06-05 04:51:37  
@ argettio

"I does work in the right situation" <- this explains everything imo.


but on a real note, i never said you were wrong on the 2% dmg > 5attack, i agree with you on that.

never said your wrong on full usu same not being the best set for pole sam. (u never even stated this, but w/e...)

mix/match set with full haste while eating sushi... never said you were wrong, although i could argue some points about this, saving 5+ pages of nonsense, this is accurate.

as for gkt eating sushi....your an idiot if you do (or just not well geared, in which case; sux4u)
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By Valefor.Argettio 2010-06-05 04:53:51  
So you can wear full haste, eat meat, and cap accuracy on Tiamat.

Please tell me your secretes.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Brayenn 2010-06-05 04:53:54  
why is /war chosen over /drg for GK? i think any time you can /war and are using GK you would be better off with /drg ?
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By Valefor.Argettio 2010-06-05 04:56:54  
Quetzalcoatl.Brayenn said:
why is /war chosen over /drg for GK? i think any time you can /war and are using GK you would be better off with /drg ?

pretty much
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By Shiva.Weewoo 2010-06-05 04:58:53  
***. Still thinking of polearms. Yeah, /DRG is best for GTK since you won't need that attack bonus for your bread and butter weapon skills, not to mention the jumps and haste earring give significant increases to gear freedom and WS frequency.

Sorry, 3 AM -.-;;
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2010-06-05 04:59:14  
Valefor.Argettio said:
So you can wear full haste, eat meat, and cap accuracy on Tiamat.

Please tell me your secretes.

cause your sams tp on tiamat? even if they do, pizza+1 if they need acc. should never use sushi


if you know anything about sams on hnms (which im starting to think you don't tbh) is they are often used (and often forced to /thf) by saving tp and staying OUTSIDE aoe range, running in and WSing said mob, then running outide AoE range. this strategy is used ALOT for sams, what does haste do if your not swinging? what does acc do on a 1hit ws? what does attack do on ws dmg...owai

>.>;
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2010-06-05 05:01:06  
Valefor.Argettio said:
Quetzalcoatl.Brayenn said:
why is /war chosen over /drg for GK? i think any time you can /war and are using GK you would be better off with /drg ?

pretty much

i've already stated the times when /drg is a viable option, if u choose not to read my above post im not going to repeat myself.

tbh i tank alot when im on sam, so im always stuck /nin :|

also, when did i ever say /war was chosen over /drg?
please quote me if you can :)
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By Valefor.Argettio 2010-06-05 05:03:49  
OK, so your LS doesn't want you full time on the mob.

In that situation then fine, you might as well eat some cheap STR food.

But there are plenty of people out there that are allowed to full time engage the mob and in that situation sushi + full haste beats pizza or meat with reduced haste.

It was originally proposed on BG, a lot of people said WTF, it got mathed out, it wins.

Fairy.Ghaleon said:
Valefor.Argettio said:
Quetzalcoatl.Brayenn said:
why is /war chosen over /drg for GK? i think any time you can /war and are using GK you would be better off with /drg ?

pretty much

i've already stated the times when /drg is a viable option, if u choose not to read my above post im not going to repeat myself.

tbh i tank alot when im on sam, so im always stuck /nin :|

also, when did i ever say /war was chosen over /drg?
please quote me if you can :)

How is answering some one else question in anyway arguing with you?

You seem to think I am being more aggressive than I am.

The only point (that I can see) that we disagree on is sushi SAMs
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2010-06-05 05:09:09  
Valefor.Argettio said:
OK, so your LS doesn't want you full time on the mob.

In that situation then fine, you might as well it some cheap STR food.

But there are plenty of people out there that are allowed to full time engage the mob and in that situation sushi full haste beats pizza or meat with reduced haste.

It was originally proposed on BG, a lot of people said WTF, it got mathed out, it wins.

Fairy.Ghaleon said:
Valefor.Argettio said:
Quetzalcoatl.Brayenn said:
why is /war chosen over /drg for GK? i think any time you can /war and are using GK you would be better off with /drg ?

pretty much

i've already stated the times when /drg is a viable option, if u choose not to read my above post im not going to repeat myself.

tbh i tank alot when im on sam, so im always stuck /nin :|

also, when did i ever say /war was chosen over /drg?
please quote me if you can :)

How is answering some one else question in anyway arguing with you?

You seem to think I am being more aggressive than I am.

The only point (that I can see) that we disagree on is sushi SAMs


" full haste beats pizza or meat with reduced haste."

i was never arguing a situation where u should take away haste to use meat >.>

of course you spinning any arguement to yourside is going to make your correct (i've seen this somewhere)

what you SHOULD be comparing to is full haste meat vs full haste sushi

i stated my tp sets only change the Accuracy of the individual so that food doesnt have to. haste remains the same. food remains meat.(or sub or curry)

edit- k think im getting tired now LOL 6:11am -.-;

i totally just did a circle statement :(



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By Shiva.Weewoo 2010-06-05 05:09:56  
I guess I just liked subbing warrior for those delicious double attack gekkos. They're like finding a cool prize in your cereal box :3
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