Hagun VS Keitonotachi

Hagun dmg:75 dly:450 tp-bonus
6-hit-build w/ 20% haste

or

Keitonotachi dmg:91 dly:464 tp store+5
5-hit-build w/ 17% haste
+fulltime hachiman-hands
+wear hachiman boots at ws for tp reget

You dont need to fulltime hachiman hands to accomplish a 5-hit build... Here is my post from the GK page

In my opinion it will be the new standard weapon of choice for the not so elite Sam. It is not difficult to obtain, and it is also very inexpensive to get a 5 hit build with. Which should be able to compete with the Sams who have the time/resources to obtain Masamune.
Dmg 91 with 464 delay

5 Hit build
Trait 25
Merit 10
Weapon 5
Rose Strap 4
Brutal Ear 1
Rajas 5
Usu Feet 7
Askar Body 5
Food Carbonara 6
Hachiman Kote 8 (if you fighting things that require acc in place of askar body)
This gives you 20.4 (20.8)tp per round which also give the flexibility to have good WS gear on for that Round. If you have /drg slap on that wyvern earring and your set to pound that *** with 21% haste and a 5 hit build with a 91Dmg GK... Not too damn shabby!

Also 5-hit wins for DoT period! Hagun stands no chance.

Dont have Usukane feet sadly :/

You can still make it work! If you are going to use Askar Body and Hachi Gloves and Carbonara (this should be 20.7tp per round) giving some flexibility for WS gear....There is many options I just figure of the Usukane set those are the easiest to get and huge store tp bonus... Play around with FFXI Calc its super helpful for this stuff

You will have no accuracy if using Askar Body and Carbonara!

Run that set through calc and see what accuracy you have, it to me looks just enough to cap Greater Colibri.

it works for me if i use hachiman hands fulltime and
hachiman feet for ws

Presuming you have the rest of this set and 8/8 Great Katana merits.



424acc with Hasso, if using Carbonara.


Seriously, a 5hit isn't a option if you have to use Carbonara.

I didnt say it was the ideal set... I said it would work... now to say you have No Acc then you are not correct you still have acc on your neck waist and a ring even. And since FFxi Calc doesnt go past 75 yet you have to guesstimate your acc from there.

Update calc.

Carbonara works for until Sam get the next store tp at 90... I'm clearly saying that you can certainly afford those nice expensive pieces of gear thats great but for those who can't a 5 hit build is still attainable.

ammo=Thew bomblet
back=amemet+1
neck=chiv.chain
ring1=ulthalam
feet=hast+3
hand=hachiman

at me with that gk

If you don't have say, Cuchulain's Mantle & Toreador's ring from that set you will just about cap accuracy with Great Colibri, unless you don't fight anything worthwhile that is.

Okay here's another option for non Usukane Samurai's:



Eating Marinara Pizza you have nearly 470acc, full Haste and -3% delay (knocks it to 450). So of course this is a 6hit build but it also has the Kasha +10 on top.

Ok the sets aside. This is getting off the subject of hagun vs the 5 hit build to which I don't think any of us will be on the side of the hagun

the last set w/ hachiman hands for 5 hit

and hachiman feet fpr ws

and u would sell hagun?

Overall Keitontachi is better than Hagun IMO, but Hagun is still king for /thf where your only source of damage is SA/TA, that's even with the Kasha +10%.

I use this:

Unkai Nodowa [Neck] All Races
STR +5(3) Accuracy +5 "Store TP" +3
Lv. 80 SAM

with my capped haste Keitonotachi 5hit build.

No carbonara needed.

Well technically the Goading belt would work too! I was just trying to demonstrate an easy 5-hit build.

i see all this talk about greater colibris and stuff... but really...

its greater colibris... you never do em at 80 lol

He was making an example of what Mob your accuracy would cap at with that particular gear set is all.... He didnt mean they were worth fighting at 80

Off topic I see a Askar head in Darks profile and it makes me kutttt

What's so bad about Carbonara? 1 less STR and 10-20 less attack in exchange for Store TP+6 and a considerable HP difference. A little more expensive, sure, but it's not the end of the world if you're using it.

Did someone say Keionotachi?

Ideally you could just use this set
Crazy accuracy and 25% Haste! Dragoon's acc bonus and Jump and High Jump incase of that 5% chance you miss. You could even swap the cuch mantle in if you want! It's just not attainable for everyone.

Did I read that correctly?

cerb+1 more obtainable than cuch?

wut?

Dusk gloves +1 are common too

Ok... Going by past threads and some info from SAM friends... But since when has acc been a problem for GK sams?

idk i dont have any acc on my sam besides ult ring, and have no acc issues with 329 GK skill, guess that helps, but Hagun ftw still imo, was goin in abyssea with guy that has that GK done and he couldnt hit over 1k for ***, which i was doin easily so idk, maybe was his gear.

The main topic here is DoT, not epeen ws numbers.