Better Relic Now?

Ragnarok has 3 jobs attached to it. I'd do it over Apocalypse just for that reason. Apoc at 90 isn't really so bad. LS bud has it, and even outside of Abyssea he gets up to the 1900~2k margin with Catastrophe consistently. He basically cannot die. Also one time he did a, and I kid you not, 1702 Slice. On Lamprey Lord. It was freaking hilarious.


On the other hand, I've only seen Ragnarok in the hands of dipshits with poor gear, so I honestly haven't even seen it used to its full potential. Neither have I seen it at 90. I'm being ambitious and aiming for it on Warrior, not to make myself the best, but because I like Great Swords on Warrior(*** you Paladin and your Spinning Slash utility too), and because I like the name of its attestation the best(and the damn thing keeps falling to me every time we do a Goubldfaupe whether everyone has passed or not).

So you have a choice of job flexibility, plus pretty rad damage over pretty rad damage and survivability on one job. Honestly though, and I know the OP requested not to bring them up, but if I were a DRK main I'd get Apoc and Caladbolg(it makes Ochains scream). Huzzah for getting everything on one job. >_>;

That's a damn good point. Forgot relic ws get hosed with that.

Would spharai be enough to warrant going /war to some nms if you have decent support outside abyssea in your opinion? Or rather, would the +25-30 counter be enough to makeup not using VS /nin.

Personally don't see getting Spharai as a goal, and mnk + whm can duo verethragna to 90... Just trying to advocate some use for Spharai.

On the note of relics overall, aren't the rng relics still pretty good because of the fixed enmity values?

I still rock my 90 gun and it is hard to beat my non-hate pulling dps. Coronach is stronger than slugshot now on 90 relic so basically the only time the mob looks my way is relic dmg proc on barrage or regular /ra

That's a damn good point. Forgot relic ws get hosed with that.

Would spharai be enough to warrant going /war to some nms if you have decent support outside abyssea in your opinion? Or rather, would the +25-30 counter be enough to makeup not using VS /nin.

Personally don't see getting Spharai as a goal, and mnk + whm can duo verethragna to 90... Just trying to advocate some use for Spharai.

On the note of relics overall, aren't the rng relics still pretty good because of the fixed enmity values?

Yeah I've been wanting to make one now. Not to mention the aftermath on it kinda helps ensure you don't pull hate too. Screw you bow users!

It's nowhere near +25 counter. iirc 90 Spharai is +15, which is enough to cap you with no other gear if using Counterstance with merits and AF2 feet... On that note, wonder what the 95/99 enhancements will be since more counter would be near worthless.

It'll still be nice for the occasional NM but probably moreso as a defensive tool if ***gets really nasty rather than an opportunity to /WAR. I could be wrong though.

Don't give dasva a relic! The man is already crazy enough as it is, he'll start making chr builds for it to see how it influences stylishness and start making up absurd things such as fstyle and it having diminishing returns D:

Chr affects emnity didn't you know?

I was referring to the Counter enhancement on Spharai. Since its benefit is essentially maximized on the 90 Spharai, any further enhancements in that department would have to either break the counter rate cap or provide benefits outside of counter rate to be useful.

Right, and seeing as how you're out of range of most things this would be the ideal set to shoot in while waiting for snapshot to proc

yup "Mythic weapons can equip up to 3 atma at all times, Relic owners can equip 2 atma and emps can equip 1."
I can imagine and would enjoy lol

Relic ws all have conserve tp +20 and enhances conserve tp to save you all of it.

you think Relics are harder to get than Mythics? rrrrrr?