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By daddyrabbit4444 2011-05-28 00:34:35  
what are the best atmas for drg?
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By Carbuncle.Axle 2011-05-28 00:37:59  
DD?
Solo?
Build for a certain WS?
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2011-05-28 00:44:21  
Assuming normal DDing, RR+VV+Apoc or RR+GH+Apoc. Drakesbane is your friend.
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By daddyrabbit4444 2011-05-28 00:47:31  
so drakesbane is very powerful compared to penta/wheelingthrust?
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By Phoenix.Lillicarnage 2011-05-28 00:53:25  




Seriously, he just said Wheeling Thrust. -_-
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By Odin.Moondaddy 2011-05-28 00:53:38  
rr+vv+ss will also give you nice numbers with drakes and even penta. only time you are goin to want to use wheeling is if you need to proc or you want ws points
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2011-05-28 01:02:32  
If you don't have Drakesbane unlocked you should be using Skewer with razed ruins.
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By daddyrabbit4444 2011-05-28 01:11:17  
what is ss? and is there any atmas that effect healing breaths?
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By daddyrabbit4444 2011-05-28 01:13:52  
how much more HP is gained from atma of the dragon rider i read its wyvern HP superior
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By Bahamut.Serj 2011-05-28 01:38:49  
daddyrabbit4444 said:
what is ss? and is there any atmas that effect healing breaths?

Sanguine Scythe. I'm learning to love it =3
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By Bahamut.Serj 2011-05-28 01:39:07  
daddyrabbit4444 said:
how much more HP is gained from atma of the dragon rider i read its wyvern HP superior

Probably 30%, easy to test though (I can't)
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By Ragnarok.Amador 2011-05-28 02:39:57  
RR SS VV seems to be a clear winner for making things dead quickly.
60% Critical Hit Damage Increase, DA, Attack, STR, Crit Rate.

RR VV Apoc old standard Atma Combo, Re Raise, moderate Crit and STR increase. Can assist in completing a 5 hit build, and triple attack.

RR GH and Apoc isn't anything to cry home about, and pretty much not going to pull ahead of much. High crit rate, low damage, Weaker WS than the 2 above mentioned.

This is my 2 cents, perhaps math can show a clearer perspective. I messed around with all 3 combos for a long bit in Abyssea. Even tried SS RR Apoc, still ended up enjoying RR SS VV a lot more.
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2011-05-28 02:49:42  
best atmas for drg: war/sam
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By Ragnarok.Amador 2011-05-28 03:00:15  
what do you ws for? does your sekkanoki do 6k back to back? don't think so...

quick curt answers don't prove your any where near correct. just shows you're bandwagon and cookie cutter.

in anycase, i'm sure math will give some solid numbers :)
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2011-05-28 03:11:51  
Ragnarok.Amador said:
what do you ws for? does your sekkanoki do 6k back to back? don't think so...

quick curt answers don't prove your any where near correct. just shows you're bandwagon and cookie cutter.

in anycase, i'm sure math will give some solid numbers :)

SS/RR/AoA is best in the long run I believe there is a spread sheet for WAR, I'd apply the same concept to Dragoon and Drakesbane. Not to mention SS does more for jumps then VV does since they autocrit.
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By Ragnarok.Amador 2011-05-28 03:17:35  
Noodles wrote:
Going from 10% TA to 15% TA is a boost of 8.33%
Going from 700Att to 750Att vs a Lv97 350def mob is a boost of 8.66%

Didn't concider that TA affects TP damage and WS damage and frequency whereas the Att only affects TP damage and WS damage.
With that in mind, say we are 60% WS, 40% Jumps/TP damage, the 5% TA actually adds 8.33+(60% of 8.33)=13.33%

So actually I was wrong, Apoc wins very comfortably.

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the above is some math that was done when comparing AoA versus Apoc

5% TA, vs 50 attack. It maybe different for WAR's indeed. since most opt for lower attack builds that use Tactics Mantle, so their ATK goes low enough to make the 50 attack matter to the extent of out parsing a 5% TA increase? Dunno. But this is what was done in this.

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http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?fjob=14&mid=1304987223182142779&page=1

DRG also doesn't have Berserk to depend on.
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2011-05-28 03:38:21  
Ragnarok.Amador said:
Noodles wrote:
Going from 10% TA to 15% TA is a boost of 8.33%
Going from 700Att to 750Att vs a Lv97 350def mob is a boost of 8.66%

Didn't concider that TA affects TP damage and WS damage and frequency whereas the Att only affects TP damage and WS damage.
With that in mind, say we are 60% WS, 40% Jumps/TP damage, the 5% TA actually adds 8.33+(60% of 8.33)=13.33%

So actually I was wrong, Apoc wins very comfortably.

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the above is some math that was done when comparing AoA versus Apoc

5% TA, vs 50 attack. It maybe different for WAR's indeed. since most opt for lower attack builds that use Tactics Mantle, so their ATK goes low enough to make the 50 attack matter to the extent of out parsing a 5% TA increase? Dunno. But this is what was done in this.

Source:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?fjob=14&mid=1304987223182142779&page=1

DRG also doesn't have Berserk to depend on.
AoA is just a different way of writing Apoc (Atma of Apocalypse)
you're thinking of AO or AaO, which is alpa and omega.
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By Ragnarok.Amador 2011-05-28 04:21:55  
Well that is pretty strange and funny. Didn't know people actually abbreviated for "Atma" "AoRR!" "AoSS!" <_<; the hell started that...
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By Cerberus.Pruviant 2011-05-28 04:25:48  
I have had great success with RR/VV/GH ... no Reraise or triple attack, but I average in the upper 4kish range with Drakesbane
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2011-05-28 04:31:12  
Ragnarok.Amador said:
Well that is pretty strange and funny. Didn't know people actually abbreviated for "Atma" "AoRR!" "AoSS!" <_<; the hell started that...
No idea. That's why I always say apoc.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2011-05-28 04:32:38  
Only reason not to really use Apoc is if you'r afraid tp feeding is gonna be a problem.
Like when dualboxing or something.
If you can have extra DDs on the nm apart from the tank, tp feeding doesnt really matter, because it's gonna be alot of tp fed to the mob anyways.
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By Ragnarok.Tuvae 2011-05-28 05:12:35  
DD wise I go for.... VV SS RR.
I used to use Apoc instead of SS till they changed the crit stuff. I average 5-6k drakes now with SS on though which is nice. Its a shame about losing triple attack on jumps though :(

Healing wise I go for Ebon hoof, impenterable tower(i think thats it, yaneei one) and SS.

Also, what skarwind said, leave lolpenta to the SAMs. Use skewer if you aint got Drakes.
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2011-05-28 05:16:14  
Ragnarok.Tuvae said:
DD wise I go for.... VV SS RR.
I used to use Apoc instead of SS till they changed the crit stuff. I average 5-6k drakes now with SS on though which is nice. Its a shame about losing triple attack on jumps though :(

Healing wise I go for Ebon hoof, impenterable tower(i think thats it, yaneei one) and SS.

Also, what skarwind said, leave lolpenta to the SAMs. Use skewer if you aint got Drakes.
Just so you know, apoc is a slightly less than 30% increase in your total DPS (assuming you have some double attack).

SS is only a 30% increase to your crits. Granted, you are critting most of the time, so the two atmas are probably close, but apoc should be winning.

Edit: forgot to factor in the decreasing returns on the crit damage, so SS is actually closer to 20% increase in crit DPS.
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By Ragnarok.Tuvae 2011-05-28 05:36:40  
Guess i better go back to that then XD
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By Fenrir.Eneas 2011-05-28 07:00:16  
seriously , ya'll complain about noobs not knowing mechanics, and when someone clearly new come and ask questions you mock him?
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By Ragnarok.Tuvae 2011-05-28 07:20:27  
Fenrir.Eneas said:
seriously , ya'll complain about noobs not knowing mechanics, and when someone clearly new come and ask questions you mock him?
Who mocked him? All lilicarnage said was "Wheeling thrust?!" Which... no matter how new you are, if you have skewer or penta, you know wheeling thrust isnt really that good...
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2011-05-28 08:48:55  
Fenrir.Eneas said:
seriously , ya'll complain about noobs not knowing mechanics, and when someone clearly new come and ask questions you mock him?

I only mock tuvae.
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By Ragnarok.Tuvae 2011-05-28 09:10:33  
Ragnarok.Ashman said:
Fenrir.Eneas said:
seriously , ya'll complain about noobs not knowing mechanics, and when someone clearly new come and ask questions you mock him?

I only mock tuvae.
Yet, after each time he steps back, takes a good look and is over come with a feeling of so much pride, he weeps but just a little.
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