i'm a bit confused about some math in some of the threads because they simply... contradicts each others
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/21651/nuevo-coselets-vs-zahaksmail/
in this thread its said that 5str and 5 dex outperform 2% DA
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/19437/uthers-grip-vs-pole-grip/
in this thread 2%da beats 4str and 9ga skill
"Yeah its not even close, 2% DA is better than STR and skill. "
so how come 4 str 9 skil is no way close to 2%da, but 5str and dex beats 2% da
i know we are talking one str in difference but really ?
i've seen same kind of contradiction among blm thread also
1 int beats 0.5mab and then later on 3 mab beats 7 int.
i just doesn't make alot of sence on its own.
i know you can only really know with looking at the full pictures
but none (maybe 1) of these advices was giving in that way
Why Contradictingmath ?
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why contradictingmath ?
Pole grip do more DoT dmg (You will double attack more frequently blablabla)
Uther grip is direct dmg (or instant dmg? My english suck) mostly better for ws. it like do 2x 230 dmg (lets say you hit for 230) VS hitting 1x for 240 dmg It's what I think, I am a melee tard so feel free to prove me wrong. Should be using a claymore grip anyway. Also, pole grip affects ws frequency, where as the body for ws does not.
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Zahak's has crit which is why it wins, otherwise I'd say double attack beats either the slight increase in str or attack.
Edit: And what Serj said. Asura.Kaisuko said: » Zahak's has crit which is why it wins, otherwise I'd say double attack beats either the slight increase in str or attack. Edit: And what Serj said. The body has crit rate too. As long as you're WSing in your haste gear, you're doing fine.
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Nuevo? I didn't read the thread.
I assumed attack/double attack auggments; but crit/double attack I could see winning unless you need the attack (which in most cases you do, so that devalues it), but also like Borealis said, it's situational. xD Because you can't switch grips without losing tp. ***'s situational, as is tradition, in that you're choosing what you're going to be both weaponskilling and tping in, obviously STR and Skill will not be helping you as much as the other 2 in terms of white damage, while the other 2 are enhancing both your weaponskill and white damage.
The body pieces are more about what is ideal for weaponskill, in nightfyre's calculations it called Zahak's as superior, and he usually knows his ***, so that would be your safe bet Asura.Kaisuko said: » Nuevo? I didn't read the thread. I assumed attack/double attack auggments; but crit/double attack I could see winning unless you need the attack (which in most cases you do, so that devalues it), but also like Borealis said, it's situational. xD DA also has diminishing returns, but str/dex doesn't do much for your ddex or fstr in abyssea. On war with a 30% DA rate on ws, 2% DA isn't even a 1% increase. Bahamut.Serj said: » Asura.Kaisuko said: » Nuevo? I didn't read the thread. I assumed attack/double attack auggments; but crit/double attack I could see winning unless you need the attack (which in most cases you do, so that devalues it), but also like Borealis said, it's situational. xD DA also has diminishing returns, but str/dex doesn't do much for your ddex or fstr in abyssea. On war with a 30% DA rate on ws, 2% DA isn't even a 1% increase. 1.5% isn't it? Carbuncle.Asymptotic said: » Bahamut.Serj said: » Asura.Kaisuko said: » Nuevo? I didn't read the thread. I assumed attack/double attack auggments; but crit/double attack I could see winning unless you need the attack (which in most cases you do, so that devalues it), but also like Borealis said, it's situational. xD DA also has diminishing returns, but str/dex doesn't do much for your ddex or fstr in abyssea. On war with a 30% DA rate on ws, 2% DA isn't even a 1% increase. 1.5% isn't it? Bahamut.Serj said: » Carbuncle.Asymptotic said: » Bahamut.Serj said: » Asura.Kaisuko said: » Nuevo? I didn't read the thread. I assumed attack/double attack auggments; but crit/double attack I could see winning unless you need the attack (which in most cases you do, so that devalues it), but also like Borealis said, it's situational. xD DA also has diminishing returns, but str/dex doesn't do much for your ddex or fstr in abyssea. On war with a 30% DA rate on ws, 2% DA isn't even a 1% increase. 1.5% isn't it? 30/32 = .9375 Should check Motenten's spreadsheet to see the difference between 2% DA and 5str/dex in abyssea berserk down with Ukko's. Maybe do that in a bit.
Phoenix.Kirana said: » Bahamut.Serj said: » Carbuncle.Asymptotic said: » Bahamut.Serj said: » Asura.Kaisuko said: » Nuevo? I didn't read the thread. I assumed attack/double attack auggments; but crit/double attack I could see winning unless you need the attack (which in most cases you do, so that devalues it), but also like Borealis said, it's situational. xD DA also has diminishing returns, but str/dex doesn't do much for your ddex or fstr in abyssea. On war with a 30% DA rate on ws, 2% DA isn't even a 1% increase. 1.5% isn't it? 30/32 = .9375 doesn't really make sense from a computational standpoint that way, i don't think. i could be wrong but my combinatorial knowledge leads me to calcualte it this way 0% double attack is 100 attacks in one unit time 30% double attack is 130 attacks in one unit time adding 2% double attack is 132 attacks in one unit time so (132-130)/100 = 1.53% 1.4% would assume the initial 30% double attack has some sort of programming priority, which it shouldn't, the %double attack should only alter the threshhold at which DA occurs. Wouldn't it be 132/130 then, to figure out the difference? What I did before my edit.
Close enough to my original value .984~ Also, yours goes to (2)/100, no? Bahamut.Serj said: » Wouldn't it be 132/130 then, to figure out the difference? What I did before my edit. Close enough to my original value .984~ 132/130 = 1.0153 the whole part (1) represents the 130 initial attacks, in this case. so you still get 1.53% lol (0.0153 is the increase) Bahamut.Serj said: » Wouldn't it be 132/130 then, to figure out the difference? What I did before my edit. Close enough to my original value .984~ Also, yours goes to (2)/100, no? sorry it should have said (132-130)/130 * 100 Carbuncle.Asymptotic said: » Phoenix.Kirana said: » Bahamut.Serj said: » Carbuncle.Asymptotic said: » Bahamut.Serj said: » Asura.Kaisuko said: » Nuevo? I didn't read the thread. I assumed attack/double attack auggments; but crit/double attack I could see winning unless you need the attack (which in most cases you do, so that devalues it), but also like Borealis said, it's situational. xD DA also has diminishing returns, but str/dex doesn't do much for your ddex or fstr in abyssea. On war with a 30% DA rate on ws, 2% DA isn't even a 1% increase. 1.5% isn't it? 30/32 = .9375 doesn't really make sense from a computational standpoint that way, i don't think. i could be wrong but my combinatorial knowledge leads me to calcualte it this way 0% double attack is 100 attacks in one unit time 30% double attack is 130 attacks in one unit time adding 2% double attack is 132 attacks in one unit time so (132-130)/100 = 1.53% 1.4% would assume the initial 30% double attack has some sort of programming priority, which it shouldn't, the %double attack should only alter the threshhold at which DA occurs. Carbuncle.Asymptotic said: » Bahamut.Serj said: » Wouldn't it be 132/130 then, to figure out the difference? What I did before my edit. Close enough to my original value .984~ 132/130 = 1.0153 the whole part (1) represents the 130 initial attacks, in this case. so you still get 1.53% lol (0.0153 is the increase) ....I had it right, just didn't do it right. LEAVE ME ALONE. Bahamut.Serj said: » Carbuncle.Asymptotic said: » Bahamut.Serj said: » Wouldn't it be 132/130 then, to figure out the difference? What I did before my edit. Close enough to my original value .984~ 132/130 = 1.0153 the whole part (1) represents the 130 initial attacks, in this case. so you still get 1.53% lol (0.0153 is the increase) ....I had it right, just didn't do it right. LEAVE ME ALONE. i'll pewpew tornadoes in your face Carbuncle.Asymptotic said: » Bahamut.Serj said: » Carbuncle.Asymptotic said: » Bahamut.Serj said: » Wouldn't it be 132/130 then, to figure out the difference? What I did before my edit. Close enough to my original value .984~ 132/130 = 1.0153 the whole part (1) represents the 130 initial attacks, in this case. so you still get 1.53% lol (0.0153 is the increase) ....I had it right, just didn't do it right. LEAVE ME ALONE. i'll pewpew tornadoes in your face Dyslexia makes math a *** ;_; And I'll smite your anus. You will find that a lot of people that give answers through forums like these have no *** idea what they are talking about. A lot just like to parrot the people who actually know what they are talking about so it gives them some significance or cool points.
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I still don't think you are using the right formula...for instance if you calculate the change from 98% to 100% DA, you get (2)/198*100=1.01%. It should be much lower than this.
Leviathan.Draylo said: » You will find that a lot of people that give answers through forums like these have no *** idea what they are talking about. A lot just like to parrot the people who actually know what they are talking about so it gives them some significance or cool points. Thanks for your helpful post correcting us on our DA % increases, Sean. >=/ Phoenix.Kirana said: » I still don't think you are using the right formula...for instance if you calculate the change from 98% to 100% DA, you get (2)/198*100=1.01%. It should be much lower than this. You don't calculate it from under 100 as DA adds on to your attacks. 0 DA to 1 is a 1% increase, everything else is lower. 101/100 = 1%. 102/101 = .99%. So on and so forth. Bahamut.Serj said: » Should check Motenten's spreadsheet to see the difference between 2% DA and 5str/dex in abyssea berserk down with Ukko's. Maybe do that in a bit. He has not updated his spreadsheets recently. I don't believe his crit damage/critrate has been updated. You need to fix both in the TP page and WS page for it to be accurate. :< Fenrir.Niniann said: » Bahamut.Serj said: » Should check Motenten's spreadsheet to see the difference between 2% DA and 5str/dex in abyssea berserk down with Ukko's. Maybe do that in a bit. He has not updated his spreadsheets recently. I don't believe his crit damage/critrate has been updated. You need to fix both in the TP page and WS page for it to be accurate. :< That.... would be good to know lol. I really need to just get excel and download his spreadsheets instead of using google for it. Think about it this way. If you already happen to have 50% DA which is immutable, then you WONT be DAing 50% of the time. Any additional DA you add will only possibly be helpful on those 50% of attacks that you wouldn't already be DAing.
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