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 Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn
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By Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn 2011-10-02 21:14:41  
the latter seems to be the case :x
like i said ill post my numbers in a bit

edit: shouldnt be too hard to test
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By Leviathan.Dodu 2011-10-02 21:19:28  
The real mystery is why you're /THF
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By Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn 2011-10-02 21:21:47  
Leviathan.Dodu said: »
The real mystery is why you're /THF

its this amazing thing called *takes a deep breath*

...wait for it
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By Leviathan.Dodu 2011-10-02 21:36:22  
Not entirely sure why doing less damage is enjoyable, buuut sure.

Carry on then.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn 2011-10-02 21:38:59  
no reason to be a ***, thank you for your glorious contribution to the thread

Edit: no reason to repost and rebump the thread when i have already posted so much tonight regardless..

Is it possible for skillchain damage to be calculated before critical hit damage from razed ruins and sanguine scythe? that would explain why it seems so low

Edit #2 (numbers) All of these are done with SA + fudo from behind, RR SS VV

Fudo --- Light
4951 --- 1386
4888 --- 2737
5224 --- 1462
4192 --- 2347
5890 --- 3298
6666 --- 3358
5053 --- 2829
5773 --- 3232
3659 --- 2049
5033 --- 2818

edit #3 Interesting how each of the light skillchain's are 55% ( at highest ) of the closing weaponskill
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By Cerberus.Taint 2011-10-03 10:21:41  
Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn said: »
Leviathan.Dodu said: »
The real mystery is why you're /THF
its this amazing thing called *takes a deep breath* ...wait for it


The proper answer is TH!
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By Leviathan.Dodu 2011-10-03 11:45:21  
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn said: »
Leviathan.Dodu said: »
The real mystery is why you're /THF
its this amazing thing called *takes a deep breath* ...wait for it


The proper answer is WHM/THF!

Couldn't agree more.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2011-10-03 12:22:34  
Leviathan.Dodu said: »
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn said: »
Leviathan.Dodu said: »
The real mystery is why you're /THF
its this amazing thing called *takes a deep breath* ...wait for it
The proper answer is WHM/THF!
Couldn't agree more.


So he should have been SAM/BLM for D2s then. Good point.
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By Leviathan.Dodu 2011-10-03 12:33:04  
dat MAB trait for Jinpu
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By Ragnarok.Castellano 2011-10-03 19:08:04  
Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn said: »
no reason to be a ***, thank you for your glorious contribution to the thread

Edit: no reason to repost and rebump the thread when i have already posted so much tonight regardless..

Is it possible for skillchain damage to be calculated before critical hit damage from razed ruins and sanguine scythe? that would explain why it seems so low

Edit #2 (numbers) All of these are done with SA + fudo from behind, RR SS VV

Fudo --- Light
4951 --- 1386
4888 --- 2737
5224 --- 1462
4192 --- 2347
5890 --- 3298
6666 --- 3358
5053 --- 2829
5773 --- 3232
3659 --- 2049
5033 --- 2818

edit #3 Interesting how each of the light skillchain's are 55% ( at highest ) of the closing weaponskill

yeah each of your weaponskills did an SC that was either ~56% or ~28%. The 28% shows a 1/2 damage resist.

Its pretty apparent that the SC does not take into account your added damage from sneak attack. Sneak attack is doubling your weaponskill. You are expecting an SC of 112% (100% for max closing WS and 12% from SAM trait). You are getting half of that at 56% (or 28% when you got resisted). For example the damage without sneak attack would have been 2475.5, and your SC on this weapon skill of 1386 equals 56% of the weaponskill (you were resisted on this one). Your 2nd weaponskill without sneak attack would have been 2444 (4888 * 0.5). Your skillchain damage of 2737 would have been ~112% of the weaponskill without sneak attack.
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By Fenrir.Tarowyn 2011-10-03 19:36:17  
Have you only tested this in Bria btw? I swear Bria takes half dmg from light based stuff but my memory's a little fuzzy.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn 2011-10-03 19:37:59  
do you think its more of razed ruins + SS critical hit damage not applying to the skillchain damage?

or sneak attack'd weaponskills not applying to skillchain damage? when /thf maybe

edit: more than bria, but all my targets have been related gigas
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By Fenrir.Tarowyn 2011-10-03 19:46:28  
I dunno, neither of those two options seems very likely. Can you try just using konzen to do darkness with another sc?
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By Ragnarok.Castellano 2011-10-03 21:19:49  
from the data you showed Sneak attack damage does not affect skill chain damage and my guess is that SS and RR do not apply to sneak attack (we know they apply to WS in general)
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By Odin.Eikechi 2011-10-03 22:40:38  
Ragnarok.Castellano said: »
from the data you showed Sneak attack damage does not affect skill chain damage and my guess is that SS and RR do not apply to sneak attack (we know they apply to WS in general)
why wouldn't SA apply to SC dmg? the SC is based on the dmg of the closing WS... SA boosts WS, which in turn should boost SC dmg, no? I thought this was common knowledge, or am i way off base here? and btw, no VV/SS? no apoc/A&O?
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By Ragnarok.Gunit 2011-10-03 22:57:59  
Ragnarok.Castellano said: »
from the data you showed Sneak attack damage does not affect skill chain damage and my guess is that SS and RR do not apply to sneak attack (we know they apply to WS in general)
what?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn 2011-10-04 04:32:42  
im pretty sure he meant SS and RR don't apply to skillchain damage (not sneak attack)

so that means that when /thf, if you konzen-ittai -> SAfudo then skillchain damage is caculated off of the base weaponskill damage, then RR/SS critical hit damage + is calculated after skillchain damage

sorry if thats kinda jumbled up but yeah, it actually isnt limited to konzen ittai, got a friend out to help open darkness/light for me and it was the same deal

editing for clarity~
My theory-------------------

When your conditions are:
- /thf
- critical hit damage + atmas
- closing a skillchain

Your results will be skillchain damage based on your weaponskill's normal Sneak Attack'd damage (as if you didn't have the atmas on)
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By Ragnarok.Castellano 2011-10-04 14:49:29  
yeah sorry I was tired and said that wrong...but yeah from what im seeing I think it is based on your WS before considering both atmas AND sneak attack
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By Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn 2011-10-11 02:09:39  
so apparently that skillchain damage problem is only gigas based

or atleast the gigas in la thiene

i just did a SATA 300% fudo on bukhis to test it on another mob

5k fudo with a 5k light
edit: safe to assume that mobs/nm's in visions zones, or gigas in that specific zone take -50% skillchain damage or something related to that
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By Lakshmi.Bladewing 2011-10-17 12:41:19  
5-hit + capped haste



Can swap out neck for Ganesha's mala and use misuuchi kappa but I have not fully tested if better or not, probably more your pref.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2011-10-17 12:43:57  
Lakshmi.Bladewing said: »
5-hit + capped haste Can swap out neck for Ganesha's mala and use misuuchi kappa but I have not fully tested if better or not, probably more your pref.


what are you WSing in?
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By Lakshmi.Bladewing 2011-10-17 13:05:06  
Current Fudo build needs work based off some of the new gear just released but atm this is what I have been using:



Been debating beir belt and still working on hachiryu haidate

Few things I know I would upgrade are ace's mail and mekira-oto +1, would like upgrade to neck but not sure which yet.
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By Lakshmi.Odude 2011-10-17 13:47:46  


Unless my math is off (Please feel free to correct me if it is.), this does not provide you a 5 hit build.

TP Per Swing: 20.5
TP Return from standard 1 hit WS: 17.4

(20.5 * 4) + 17.4 = 99.4

You will have to use the misuuchi kappa to make this work. Otherwise you would need Regain, get hit, or a Conserve TP proc to reach 100% TP upon the 5th hit.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2011-10-17 13:51:02  
Nope your math is dead on, this is the current gear set a Masamune user should gear towards.

TP:


WS:
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By Lakshmi.Odude 2011-10-17 14:08:20  
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Nope your math is dead on, this is the current gear set a Masamune user should gear towards.

WS:
I was wondering about the justiciar's torque for Fudo and Kaiten. I just checked and there's one on the AH; if it's still there when I get home, I may snatch it up and test it.
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By Riken 2011-10-17 14:13:35  
With hasso up, wouldn't using Unkai head +2 be better then Zelus Tiara and Unkai mimikazari? Then Epona's could be used as well
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By Lakshmi.Bladewing 2011-10-17 14:25:35  
@Riken SAM cant use Epona's

So if understanding right you are over shooting sTP on TP setup so you get 21.01 per hit to make up for what is missed on the WS? Makes sense just want to understand it correctly. TBH I was only looking at TP set and had not had time to look at WS set and do the numbers so this helps.
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By Lakshmi.Odude 2011-10-17 14:28:24  
Riken said: »
With hasso up, wouldn't using Unkai head +2 be better then Zelus Tiara and Unkai mimikazari? Then Epona's could be used as well
Unfortunately SAM cannot equip Epona's ring.

I think you may also be thinking about unkai haidate +2. Those enhance Hasso by providing an extra 2.5% JA Haste. unkai kabuto +2 enhances Seigan.
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By Riken 2011-10-17 14:30:56  
/facepalm on Epona's...I was aware of the haidate giving the hasso, but what I'm saying is, if using hasso, Kabuto would be a better choice then Zelus. Opens up a ring and ear slot for things other then STP.