Questions About Moonshade // Pole Grip

I have been reading these forums for some time now since I've recently just come back from a 2 year break. I'm curious though, I see people posting "Regain" is bad for Moonshade. I'm wondering, which augments do you put on it? From what I'm seeing, maybe ACC and Occ. grants Dmg. bonus on TP 5%? Also, why is it a bad thing to use Pole Grip w/ Apoc.? My friend and I was talking about this, it seems he could get a 5 hit build w/o Rose, so why not use Pole? Unless his calculations is wrong on the 5 hit..or something.

Most people go TP bouns earring, it effects most WS that are common place adds crit rate to crit ws, dmg to TP/damage WS, and is the most common melee augment I'd say. As for why they say it's bad, is because on paper it doesn't math out well. As to the why Pole is bad if you can give up less than 2% DA in another slot to maintain X-hit it's not.

regain moonshade is tough to predict, making it's math difficult and 'proven' to not be as good (would need to completely revamp a TP set if you pick regain), and 25 TP bonus is just....so nice.

no reason you shouldnt use a polegrip if you can X-hit without sacrificing the +2% DA in the other slots.

'quotes' mean 'supposedly'

why pole get bad when using apoc is because the chance of getting a TA "blocks" the chance of getting da thereby making pole grib DA proc less

If you haven 0DA and 0TA to begin with.
Adding 2% DA you have 2% DA on all swing out of 100 so you get 2 swings more


now if you have 15% TA from apoc
15 swing out of those 100 will get triples attack leaving you with only 85 swings left for DA to proc on so the 2% DA sudely only gives you 1.7 more Swings. you ust lost 15% effeiciency on you polegrip

now put in all you previous DA and TA from other gear and you can see how pole grip suddenly drops alot in efficiency os it mgiht be better with a critrate or crtidmg grip instead

Some reason I thought he meant the relic not the atma...

I'm pretty sure he did.

I did c.c

The reason it's "bad" is because sword strap is better for 6hit, rose is (usually) better for 5hit, but I'm not sure how it is now with ogier's gauntlets available for an easy 5hit

Yea, that is what my friend was using to get the 5-hot. The Ogier's Gauntlets. If he's using that, does that make Pole Strap worth it? This is assuming that you're not in Abyssea at all? Or should he be using Sword Strap for the -delay?

Assuming the Delay- doesn't take him down to a 6-hit, then Sword strap would prove the best yeah.