Vulcan Or Aesir?

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Vulcan or Aesir?
 Ragnarok.Alexhander
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By Ragnarok.Alexhander 2012-02-17 15:52:11  
Hello all my i got an easy question for Stardiver better Aesir earring or Vulcan earring? would be better str since 100% mod or attack and conserve tp?
 
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-17 16:11:17  
I honestly can't estimate the value of Conserve TP + 3. But let's pretend we have Save TP up so it doesn't matter!

I'd estimate 3 attack <---> 1 str, though

So vulcan's earring +3 str

+3 str + 1.5 attack vs. +7 attack
+3 str vs. 5.5 attack
2 str vs. 2.5 attack

I think vulcan's actually wins.
 
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-17 16:13:41  
Nah, that's Vulcan's Pearl.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-17 16:14:08  
Vulcan's Pearl is more clearly the winner.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-17 16:15:29  
That's also assuming capped fSTR. If fSTR is uncapped then the +STR is "worth" even more so yeah.

tl;dr Vulcan's.
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By Bismarck.Xzeikx 2012-02-17 16:35:49  
What about for mnk? before i go drop 3m on it :D lol
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By Ragnarok.Alexhander 2012-02-17 16:46:43  
and what about body? ace or lancer +2?
 
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-17 17:15:27  
Bismarck.Xzeikx said: »
What about for mnk? before i go drop 3m on it :D lol

WTF, MNK can't use Stardiver.
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By Bismarck.Xzeikx 2012-02-17 17:16:13  
Vulcan >.>
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-17 17:17:02  
Ragnarok.Alexhander said: »
and what about body? ace or lancer +2?

Ace's Mail.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-17 17:21:37  
Bismarck.Xzeikx said: »
Vulcan >.>

I don't do math for MNKs! Go chant sutras, the answer will come to you in a vision!
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By Bismarck.Xzeikx 2012-02-17 17:22:28  
You make me sad ; ; lol
And i believe Ace's comes out on top but i cant say for sure :/ i quit keeping up with DRG at about 85 lol
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-02-17 17:23:02  
And white vs black chocolate?
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-17 17:23:21  
Phoenix.Sehachan said: »
And white vs black chocolate?

The darker the chocolate, the better.
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By mortontony1 2012-02-17 17:31:39  
Bismarck.Sylow said: »
Phoenix.Sehachan said: »
And white vs black chocolate?

The darker the chocolate, the better.

Maths pls.
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By Bahamut.Mizuharu 2012-02-18 05:50:37  
Wouldn't Moonshade Earring with atk+4/TP bonus+25 be better than Vulcan's? Provided the neck/belt are Dark/Soil/Light Gorget/Belt.
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By Leviathan.Dragonlord 2012-02-18 10:00:25  
Bahamut.Mizuharu said: »
Wouldn't Moonshade Earring with atk+4/TP bonus+25 be better than Vulcan's? Provided the neck/belt are Dark/Soil/Light Gorget/Belt.

Assuming linear progression between 100->200 tp, the tp bonus+25 should add 0.0234 fTP across all 4 hits. Or, ~.094 fTP to the WS.

This increases the WS from 3.8 to 3.894 fTP, a ~2.5% increase in dmg before calculating DA/TA.

Whether vulcan would win depends on the dmg rating of the polearm in use.
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By Ragnarok.Amador 2012-02-18 12:19:09  
Check the Stardiver thread here and in official forums.

Moonshade wins, the TP is applied to all hits not just one.

If you DA or TA a Stardiver each subsequent hit simply makes it stronger. So regardless of how many hits, more TP for Stardiver will always make it better.

If your Stardiver is at 300% already however, and or 250% and you use Atmacite of Latitude then the TP Bonus earring wouldn't do anything.

However for 100-275% outside of VW; and 100-225% Inside of VW. TP Bonus earring will beat out any other option for it.
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By Lakshmi.Jesi 2012-02-18 12:40:53  
Leviathan.Dragonlord said: »
Assuming linear progression between 100->200 tp, the tp bonus+25 should add 0.0234 fTP across all 4 hits. Or, ~.094 fTP to the WS.

I thought it wasn't a linear progression though.

I thought it worked where there are tiny increases in between 100 and 200 and 200 and 300, but the numbers spike at 200 and 300.

But maybe I'm wrong, I don't really know how it works.
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By Odin.Lowblow 2012-02-18 12:45:31  
Ragnarok.Amador said: »
Check the Stardiver thread here and in official forums.

Moonshade wins, the TP is applied to all hits not just one.

If you DA or TA a Stardiver each subsequent hit simply makes it stronger. So regardless of how many hits, more TP for Stardiver will always make it better.

If your Stardiver is at 300% already however, and or 250% and you use Atmacite of Latitude then the TP Bonus earring wouldn't do anything.

However for 100-275% outside of VW; and 100-225% Inside of VW. TP Bonus earring will beat out any other option for it.


Are yous saying if i WS'd @ 100TP and had the earrign with bonus 25tp it would do more dmg?
I always though the bits between 100-200 and 200-300 did nothing
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By Ragnarok.Amador 2012-02-18 13:04:39  
To my understanding yes.

It's also been proven with certain crit WS that the more TP you have the higher the crit rate.

There is a clear difference in the numbers I had, to the numbers I had after I obtained the Moonshade Earring.

I kept all tests at 100% TP at that.