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Another 5-hit thread
 Sylph.Knala
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By Sylph.Knala 2012-02-18 11:55:31  
was wondering with all the new gear coming out is it possible to get a capped haste 5 hit now and is it worth it?
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By Shiva.Paulu 2012-02-18 12:15:29  
It is possible and it is worth it. Set will vary depending on if you're using the magian 464 delay or masa/amano with their 437. Both still possible and worth it.
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By Sylph.Knala 2012-02-18 13:27:47  
i have a masamune, need to finish up my kanto, still on keito +2 anyways what i mean though is you can stack more DA TA QA zanshin gear on a 6-hit's why i was wondering/wanted an actual example set if any one had one/was willing.

trying to retool my sam and i realized that alot of new gear options have came out 's all.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-02-18 13:32:36  



Plenty of threads for you to read up on. 99 gear thread is most recent.
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By Siren.Hellscream 2012-02-18 14:13:56  
Taint, what food are you using with this setup? And your WS set?
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-02-18 14:18:55  
Siren.Hellscream said: »
Taint, what food are you using with this setup? And your WS set?


RCB, click my page for all my sets.
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By Sylph.Knala 2012-02-18 17:18:03  
thanks for the info forgot to say so before!~
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By Shiva.Schatzie 2012-02-19 01:13:02  
just out of curiosity, you have way more than enough stp, is usukane really necessary 95% of the time compared to the extra haste you could be getting from aces?

just a penny for your thoughts.
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By Odin.Zelphes 2012-02-19 01:30:09  
Shiva.Schatzie said: »
just out of curiosity, you have way more than enough stp, is usukane really necessary 95% of the time compared to the extra haste you could be getting from aces?

just a penny for your thoughts.

If you wanna 5-hit a single-hit WS without making sacrifices in your WS set, yeah.
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By Shiva.Schatzie 2012-02-19 01:59:24  
Odin.Zelphes said: »
Shiva.Schatzie said: »
just out of curiosity, you have way more than enough stp, is usukane really necessary 95% of the time compared to the extra haste you could be getting from aces?

just a penny for your thoughts.

If you wanna 5-hit a single-hit WS without making sacrifices in your WS set, yeah.
(11.1) * (1 + (104 / 100) = 22.644 * 4 +
(11.1) * (1 + (40 / 100) = 15.54 = ~ 105.9 (if you strip off every stp in fudo, not saying you should.)

(11.1) * (1 + (102 / 100) = 22.422 * 4 +
(11.1) * (1 + (40 / 100) = 15.54 = ~105.1

you dont -need- usukane per se. i just want to know why hed rather have 25% haste instead of 26 with that overflow.
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By Lakshmi.Odude 2012-02-19 02:03:27  
Shiva.Schatzie said: »
just out of curiosity, you have way more than enough stp, is usukane really necessary 95% of the time compared to the extra haste you could be getting from aces?

just a penny for your thoughts.
My numbers were wrong, nothing to see here.

TP Shoha


But we often are forced to drop that last half percent to stack more Store TP. There is also the Enhances Hasso factor. It provides an additional 2.5% Haste, but I've heard differing information on what kind of Haste. BGWiki says it's JA Haste, while FFXI Wiki says it was originally gear but may have changed. Personally I've never tried to test it.
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By Shiva.Schatzie 2012-02-19 02:08:51  
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/222265

hmm the item set said 64 stp... oi. damn. counting says 49. my bad.
i think the item set # is funked up due to rose straps campaign bonus :\.
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By Lakshmi.Odude 2012-02-19 02:21:17  
Shiva.Schatzie said: »
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/222265

hmm the item set said 64 stp... oi. damn. counting says 49. my bad.
i think the item set # is funked up due to rose straps campaign bonus :\.
Yeah it counts all stats towards the tally, including latents and zone procs like this one.

My "math" came from plugging information into the FFXI Calc, and adding it up in the end. Even though I have on occasion plugged things in incorrectly, I think the numbers in my post are correct.

EDIT
My math was wrong. I missed sTP+3 from the back.
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By Shiva.Schatzie 2012-02-19 15:04:02  
yeah austar sent me a PM saying we both wrong lol.
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By Shiva.Paulu 2012-02-19 15:55:29  
I run with tp overflow to keep xhit with savetp. Once the savetp nerf hits I'll change that though. I have been using the TP bonus+50 atmacite in VW over the regain on sam so far.



If I do have any regain status on, spellcast will change the mantle out but I like to base my sets not relying on buffs initially.
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By Odin.Zelphes 2012-02-19 16:04:36  
Shiva.Schatzie said: »
(11.1) * (1 + (104 / 100) = 22.644 * 4 +
(11.1) * (1 + (40 / 100) = 15.54 = ~ 105.9 (if you strip off every stp in fudo, not saying you should.)

(11.1) * (1 + (102 / 100) = 22.422 * 4 +
(11.1) * (1 + (40 / 100) = 15.54 = ~105.1

you dont -need- usukane per se. i just want to know why hed rather have 25% haste instead of 26 with that overflow.


Odin.Zelphes said: »

If you wanna 5-hit a single-hit WS without making sacrifices in your WS set, yeah.

This. Assuming you WS in Rajas, Rose strap, brutal, AF3+2 legs.
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By Phoenix.Eckeward 2012-02-25 21:11:55  
Or if you don't want to WS in AF3+2 legs.
(with a Rose Strap)
Haste +26
Store TP +49

WS in Rose Strap, Rajas ring and Brutal Earring. (Also, assuming it's single-hit WS)

TP.) 11.1 * (1 + 0.4 + 0.49) = 20.9
WS) 11.1 * (1 + 0.4 + 0.10) = 16.6

Also, I made a nice set which focuses on Double Attack if you're willing to WS in Relic+2 body, but I haven't decided if the attack rate up makes up for the WS damage down.
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By Odin.Zelphes 2012-02-26 06:19:06  
Phoenix.Eckeward said: »
Or if you don't want to WS in AF3+2 legs.
(with a Rose Strap)
Haste +26
Store TP +49

WS in Rose Strap, Rajas ring and Brutal Earring. (Also, assuming it's single-hit WS)

TP.) 11.1 * (1 + 0.4 + 0.49) = 20.9
WS) 11.1 * (1 + 0.4 + 0.10) = 16.6

I would probably not sacrifice 25 ATK, 14 ACC and 3% DA during TP phase just for approx 0.4% more haste, and to avoid WS in AF3+2 legs on high-end mobs.

If you don't have Usukane feet, that set gets the job done assuming you want 5-hit.

Your set could use more Tyrant though. They should be rather affordable on most servers by now.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn 2012-02-26 16:08:54  
Shiva.Schatzie said: »
yeah austar sent me a PM saying we both wrong lol.

that's actually alot nicer than alot of people here x.x props to him! very respectable
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-02-26 16:09:19  
Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn said: »
Shiva.Schatzie said: »
yeah austar sent me a PM saying we both wrong lol.

that's actually alot nicer than alot of people here x.x props to her! very respectable
I was banned at the time. :(
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By Sylph.Knala 2012-02-26 19:38:15  
Btw AH.com has a problem counting rose strap proper, it always counts it at max value (20) vice its real, was confused where you were getting 104 from for a while, started working towards that set taint thanks~ sadly don't have usukane feet =.=
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By Fenrir.Riken 2012-02-27 01:16:43  
Nice ninja edit ^^
AH has always done the. Ifyou just subtract 16 from the stp number you see in iten setd you get your actual stp value.