DRG In Endgame Zergs

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By Ophannus 2012-03-15 12:35:59  
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By Leviathan.Quetzacoatl 2012-03-15 13:30:18  
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lots of torcleaver up in this parse
DRKs were swinging at the delay cap(they all had literally 80 delay due to LR/Embrava/Hastega/Marches) so the ODD from Torcleaver was pretty useful at boosting their melee damage since they were swinging those greatswords with half the delay of a Hornetneedle.
Yeah that was just the first thing I noticed, lol. OAT Lance for DRG looks pretty promising!
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By Odin.Lowblow 2012-03-15 13:37:32  
Im on +2 Corsesca atm, need 60 more mirrors and i can finish off the whole Oat. grrr
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By Asura.Zaphir 2012-03-15 14:50:18  
Lakshmi.Rearden said: »
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Cedwyn                      63039          0     63039    54.41 %      22/0   100.00 %   1507/5317  2865.41

 - Catastrophe              15943          0     15943    25.29 %       7/0   100.00 %   1507/3132  2277.57

 - Entropy                  22529          0     22529    35.74 %       9/0   100.00 %   1708/3155  2503.22

 - Resolution               24567          0     24567    38.97 %       6/0   100.00 %   2570/5317  4094.50


If he wasn't swapping weapons, woulda crushed hard.

The OP said this was over 3 ADLs, so this DRK probably felt like using different weapons for different fights, so no TP loss, if that's what you were implying. If you meant he should've just used GS for resolution spam, nevermind.

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Nappy                       37547          0     37547    39.19 %      12/0   100.00 %   1599/4521  3128.92

 - Resolution               23342          0     23342    62.17 %       7/0   100.00 %   1599/4521  3334.57

 - Torcleaver               14205          0     14205    37.83 %       5/0   100.00 %   2597/3215  2841.00


Was this guy afk? Also, Torcleaver.
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Minigun                     29610          0     29610    58.40 %      13/0   100.00 %      0/3457  2277.69

 - Tachi: Kaiten             2138          0      2138     7.22 %       1/0   100.00 %   2138/2138  2138.00

 - Tachi: Shoha             27472          0     27472    92.78 %      12/0   100.00 %      0/3457  2289.33


13 WS from a SAM? Did he fall asleep?

These are why ADL parses aren't really going to be an accurate display of the different DD's capabilities. Because the strat is to keep ADL above 41% before he splits, at least some of the DDs are going to have to hold back (especially when there are 11 of them). Whoever holds back drops way down in the parse and whoever doesn't moves up.

Either these 2 people missed a fight (like you suggested), were holding back (to prevent multiple clones), or died.
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By Odin.Minigun 2012-03-15 17:21:50  
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Rearden - what an idiot
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By Lakshmi.Aanalaty 2012-03-16 10:46:15  
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@Aa, I would imagine you'd still be behind DRKs and depending on who/what buffs, MNK's and WAR's. The Rex's we parsed had you high, but not on top, though our party was under COR'd compared to the other.

Yeah this is why Im curious how things might shift after the saveTP nerf goes into effect. When every DD gets 40-60(even80 in VW) the only real factor is who can do the biggest WS because everyone has 100TP before their WS animation is even over. Drks and Wars are basically top spot for that as they have the strongest individual WS. But when everyone is back to ~20TP returns, is starts to matter how fast you can get that remaining 80. Drgs jumps and people using multihit weapons will start to see a real difference in WS frequency.

If it says anything, I used to do qilins with my OAT lance at 90-95 with my OAT lance vs his rhongo. Id only do 2-3 more WS than him with a cor in the party. I just overflowed to much and do even more now with Ryu. I only end up doing a handful more WS than mnks/drks/wars with a darn Atk 2-3 mythic 5hit build right now. Most parses are something like Me: 33WS, War30, Drk 29. By comparison at ~80-85 when i 1st got my OAT lance+Spirit jump and a 5hit build, I was literally doing 40-50% more WS throughout an event like ein than other DDs.

Fast forward to now with 5hit, 492 del 40%DA, 20% TA Ryunohige, spririt/soul jumps at 1 min etc, and TP returns back to normal, Id think I should be a huge standout. Corsesca Drgs should also be a little excited about their place in parses after teh save TP gets toned down.

I really think it will be big difference, but we will see.
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By Asura.Hotsoups 2012-03-16 11:29:18  
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Are you sure ADL counts a demon? I tried to use Hamanoha on him and it wouldn't let me.

I'm positive Hamanoha, Dragon Breaker, Arcane crest and the like are broken inside dynamis entirely. My dynamis static group has attempted to use these abilities on several occasions, and they just do not work in any dynamis zone.
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-03-16 11:43:05  
Lakshmi.Aanalaty said: »
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@Aa, I would imagine you'd still be behind DRKs and depending on who/what buffs, MNK's and WAR's. The Rex's we parsed had you high, but not on top, though our party was under COR'd compared to the other.

Yeah this is why Im curious how things might shift after the saveTP nerf goes into effect. When every DD gets 40-60(even80 in VW) the only real factor is who can do the biggest WS because everyone has 100TP before their WS animation is even over. Drks and Wars are basically top spot for that as they have the strongest individual WS. But when everyone is back to ~20TP returns, is starts to matter how fast you can get that remaining 80. Drgs jumps and people using multihit weapons will start to see a real difference in WS frequency.

If it says anything, I used to do qilins with my OAT lance at 90-95 with my OAT lance vs his rhongo. Id only do 2-3 more WS than him with a cor in the party. I just overflowed to much and do even more now with Ryu. I only end up doing a handful more WS than mnks/drks/wars with a darn Atk 2-3 mythic 5hit build right now. Most parses are something like Me: 33WS, War30, Drk 29. By comparison at ~80-85 when i 1st got my OAT lance+Spirit jump and a 5hit build, I was literally doing 40-50% more WS throughout an event like ein than other DDs.

Fast forward to now with 5hit, 492 del 40%DA, 20% TA Ryunohige, spririt/soul jumps at 1 min etc, and TP returns back to normal, Id think I should be a huge standout. Corsesca Drgs should also be a little excited about their place in parses after teh save TP gets toned down.

I really think it will be big difference, but we will see.

Had a bunch typed up which said the same thing. I think any capped haste situation will benefit Emp/Mythic/Relic, and situations where you have 15% haste the OAT's will be very attractive.

It really benefits SAM though, lol. SAM can still keep up TP with an OAT weapon, though its wsavg is a bit lower than Resolution and is fairly annoying to constantly reposition (lose Overwhelm or over TP)

@Zaph: My only point was that he was drawing conclusions about his damage from a parse you can easily pick apart and see flaws in.

@Minigun: 13WS from a SAM? Did you fall asleep?
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By Foldypaws 2012-03-16 11:54:02  
Asura.Hotsoups said: »
Shiva.Paulu said: »
Are you sure ADL counts a demon? I tried to use Hamanoha on him and it wouldn't let me.

I'm positive Hamanoha, Dragon Breaker, Arcane crest and the like are broken inside dynamis entirely. My dynamis static group has attempted to use these abilities on several occasions, and they just do not work in any dynamis zone.

Hamanoha worked fine on the force pop NMs in Xarc when we were doing them.

Likewise, Warding Circle was letting us intimidate them.


But (A)DL isn't a demon, no.
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By Asura.Zaphir 2012-03-16 12:19:42  
Lakshmi.Rearden said: »
@Zaph: My only point was that he was drawing conclusions about his damage from a parse you can easily pick apart and see flaws in.

I know. I was just elaborating on that and adding other possibilities. Someone at the fight could say "he wasn't afk. He was fighting the whole time, so I legitimately outparsed him," completely ignoring the other possibilities that he may have been holding back or that he died. Even with 5 DDs I usually only WS once before ADL splits, so I can only imagine how many people would need to hold back when there are 11 DDs. I do agree that people need to pay more attention to the whole parse instead of just looking at the total damage and saying "I won."
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-03-17 07:23:56  
Shiva.Paulu said: »
Are you sure ADL counts a demon? I tried to use Hamanoha on him and it wouldn't let me.

Doesn't count as a demon. I think this might have been a recent change.

Edit: Either that, or the family information on BGwiki was assumed and not tested.
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2012-03-17 08:01:37  
Adl is a Galka :)
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