Does Angon Require Throwing Skill/miss?

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Does Angon require throwing skill/miss?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Wizkid 2012-11-01 17:25:26  
I've read accounts of both. Just starting DRG and have never really known much about the job, so please pardon my ignorance. I've got people telling me it requires skill and others saying it doesn't. Some people say it never misses, some say it always misses.

Wondering mostly for the sake of group 2 merits.
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-11-01 17:26:50  
Dragoon doesn't even have a throwing skill to begin with!
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By Quetzalcoatl.Wizkid 2012-11-01 17:27:53  
Would you look at that!

Anyway, does it miss a lot?
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-11-01 17:28:18  
Doesn't miss, but there might be situations where it doesn't take effect.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Wizkid 2012-11-01 17:30:33  
I see -- how would you judge its practicality? Still worth meriting you think? Or would you say most things nowadays are resistant to the effect?
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-11-01 17:31:22  
5/5 with augmented relic gloves. Only time it shouldn't proc is if there is a higher defense down effect or a couple of blu spells.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Wizkid 2012-11-01 17:34:37  
Thank you very much!
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By Quetzalcoatl.Wizkid 2012-11-01 17:35:02  
Until said gloves are obtained, don't do it though?
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-11-01 17:36:51  
5/5 is mandatory.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2012-11-01 17:39:36  
You can do it without the augmented gloves. And yes, a higher defense down effect will overwrite angon, or cause angon's effect to be fail.

I use 5/5 angon, and don't have the gloves, though i should really work on them to be honest.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2012-11-01 17:39:43  
5/5 Angon is a drg staple. The gloves just add 1% def down per merit, which makes it even tastier since that's a total of 25% def down.

It's worth noting that SE has stated they plan to make angon stack with other Def down effects which would make it even better and always useful, though god only knows when that adjustment will be made since they said it so long ago.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Wizkid 2012-11-01 17:43:01  
Thank you all for your speedy responses! At least now I was right not to believe the advice given to me :P
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2012-11-01 17:45:08  
Quetzalcoatl.Wizkid said: »
Thank you all for your speedy responses! At least now I was right not to believe the advice given to me :P
Asking the right questions is how you learn so always question what is told to you.

For future reference, you can post in this thread if you ever have a random question to ask, it'll save you the effort of creating new threads.

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/29127/random-question-thread-ffxi-related/102/#2070715
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By Phoenix.Dabackpack 2012-11-01 17:52:51  
Absolutely get Angon 5/5, no question.

And no, not dependent on throwing skill, and cannot "miss", but as said above can take no effect.
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By Asura.Loneshadow 2012-11-01 17:56:50  
Gungnir's DEF down overwrites Angon even though it's a lower DEF down.
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-11-01 17:57:45  
Asura.Loneshadow said: »
Gungnir's DEF down overwrites Angon even though it's a lower DEF down.
Leave it to SE to design things...
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By Bismarck.Llewelyn 2012-11-01 17:58:25  
That's just hilarious.
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By Siren.Ihm 2012-11-02 05:11:11  
I'll tell you one thing you don't need to do, full time your dam Angons -_- Just macro them in, you don't lose TP...
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By Asura.Rekin 2012-11-02 06:01:29  
Phoenix.Sehachan said: »
Dragoon doesn't even have a throwing skill to begin with!
even so I've actually gotten throwing skill ups on the job... a total of 4 skill as a reward for hours of using pebbles to pull back in the day.
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By Odin.Dirtyfinger 2012-11-02 06:15:40  
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By Diabolos.Yugl 2012-11-02 06:44:10  
You cannot skill up skills you only have on your sub.
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By Odin.Dirtyfinger 2012-11-02 07:22:20  
i have gained magic skill from having /nin-blu. otherwise how would you explain the above if drg does not have native throwing skill?
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2012-11-02 07:24:52  
I can explain it!

You're wrong.
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By Siren.Ihm 2012-11-02 08:19:26  
Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
I can explain it!

You're wrong.

I believe the correct answer is

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By Leviathan.Draylo 2012-11-02 08:25:41  
Phoenix.Sehachan said: »
Asura.Loneshadow said: »
Gungnir's DEF down overwrites Angon even though it's a lower DEF down.
Leave it to SE to design things...

Same deal with Blue spells :/. Magic Barrier is overwritten by a whm cureskin lol.
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By Ophannus 2012-11-06 07:15:42  
That makes sense though since 'Stoneskin' is a stronger effect than 'Magic Shield'. By 'stronger' I don't mean more potent but hierarchy-wise, stoneskin absorbs all damage and magic barrier only works on magic/breath.