Base Skill Level For T1 Synth?

So people, all from the same LS, are telling me that I have to have the base skill level to T1 synth something even though I'm 11 lvls about a craft. In other words I'm 103 +12 smithing, they're telling me I have to be 104 +12 smithing. Can someone please help me out here? Because bgwiki, ffxi wiki, and the forums all say: 11 above is T1.



So is this common knowledge that's not on any site, anywhere?

I just want to make sure I understand right quick...

The item you want to T1 synth caps at 104; you're at 103, and with advanced support, gear, etc. you have 103+12 skill? Is one of those pieces of gear the Smithing Torque? I've heard that the torques don't add to your skill the same way that other +skill gear does, but I haven't done any personal tests.

Cursed breastplate, I'm 103+12 =115. This started over my bazaar comment. And I'm not looking for hear-say really, I'm trying to find a page that shows any form of data, etc. If it's just a rumor, they may as well be telling me I'm doing the wrong day/direction/moon lol.

I see. I was always under the impression that you needed to be at the recipe cap with additional levels to reliably HQ, but it would make sense to be able to T1 with gear/support pushing you above the cap. I'll ask a friend who does a lot more crafting later, since I don't have much to really contribute. Sorry, haha. Hope someone else has a more definite answer for you.

Yeah it was always "believed" before because you could never reach the cap without the torque. After the torque I think people are just stuck in the past or something.

It's 11 levels over the cap regardless. As far as torques go, I see zero reason they would not count or work the same way as any other skill + items.
11 levels over the recipe cap will put you in t1.

That goes for any required sub crafts as well.

All you need to get a T1 is 11 levels above the crafting cap, regardless of your base crafting level.

Think of it this way, if what that person was saying is true, then items like crimson cuisses would have been almost non-existant (T0 synth) when crafts were capped at 100 since nobody would of been able to get 102 skill.

Torques are supposed to only work when you recieve advanced synthesis support (paid one). Giving you +5 skill together and a higher success rate.

I'd need the advanced support anyway. Point is this, Dazusu and the kid who posted the comment on my wall is wrong. 115/72/72 would have to be T1.

Is there some source for this? Curious. Don't think the fisher's torque works that way.

wtf? why wouldn't tourque work without support thats the stupidest s*** ive heard all day

Not like it's hard to test if torques work w/o synth support or not... if anyone with a torque and can still attempt crafts 16+ their skill can easily confirm. Also agree with Avitori, but then again I'm always grabbing synth support... On the other hand, I noticed w/o support and synthing darksteel chains (cap 63, so 114 to t3) at 104+9 smithing I'd HQ less (eyeballing so this really has no merit to my point) and I thought it was just random luck, but you can easily distinguish the difference between a t2 and t3. With support, I'd HQ normally around 40-50% of the time. Someone test this, kthx

My Alchemy: 39
Attempted Synth: Cermet chunk (56)

Was unable to attempt the synth with no support, no torque (obviously). WAS able to attempt the synth (which broke horribly) with JUST the torque and no support.

Tada.

Oh, I was told to mention this was the Magic Pot Shard synth recipe. Sorry!

http://forums.ffxiclopedia.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=28409

Well that solves one "mystery". Thanks Loraley :D, knew it was just some dumb luck with those darksteel chains. I've synthed a ton of them spamming haubs, and it's great being able to synth a stack of chains in one synth with a mandrel.

Any time. I have other torques that I can try other synths with, but Alchemy we had everything on hand to try it.

Huh? Backstab just posted a link to something that contradicts what you just posted, Loraley XD

I was present for Lora's testing (we just did it), and I can confirm it is correct.

That link is from almost a year ago. And the poster didn't actually mention what recipes he used.

So there are three possibilities:
A) SE Ninjad something since January.
B) The previous testing was in error or otherwise falsified.
C) Alchemy and leather torques work differently from each other.

I would never presume to rule out A). I own a tanner's torque, and my leather is still only 60, so I can easily test C). I would prefer to replicate the previous test exactly, but we're missing some info. That missing info also increases the chances significantly that the actual case here is B).

We may never know, but I'll report back if someone doesn't beat me to it.

Ok, just tested some more. Leather 60, no support, attempting Tiger Gloves (77).

Without torque: beyond skill.
With tanner's torque: synth attempted, crit fail.

C) above is ruled out. A) or B), we'll probably never know.

I didn't even know ffxiclopedia had forums. You could hardly call that link peer-reviewed. Thanks for rebutting it nonetheless.

You could be certain and just get 104 ;-D - Be interested to see the results of your attempts at 103 though as I said during our discussion.

The point is. You don't need 104. <_< 103 is fine. 103+12 is 115 which is T1 on smithing for Cursed Breastplate. He doesn't HAVE to get 104, because he's certain, along with the majority of the ffxiah community, that it is T1 with 103+12.

Also skilling to 104 while being able to t1 cursed breastplate sounds like everybody wins.

^This.

Edit: also,

The memories ; ;

I skilled from 104 to 110 mostly on Tier 1 synths for Alchemy. It's the only way to fly. Keep in mind that Tier 1 is only 1/16 HQ rate, so you still might get screwed sometimes. You'll average about 2 HQs per level, though.

Well.. since I did the original tests and didn't falsify anything (thanks for the insinuation btw), I'm fairly content saying it's A. So... now you know.

As if these boards are any different. I guess it'll be a surprise to you that I mirrored that exact post on these boards like 2 months back, and almost took it down because I couldn't stomach some of the moronic replies it got.


After reposting here, Hohenhein disputed the findings immediately. So whatever SE changed, it was after my original post and before I mirrored here. Congratulations on being late to the party.

actually having reread the mirror I mention something about it still working in this manner at 73. I don't remember doing this particular testing, and i took no notes. Going to retest with the same methodology I used previously.

Just tried.
75 skill (no torque, no support), Khimaira Wristbands (90) -- beyond skill.
75 skill (torque, no support), K.Wrists (90) -- crit. fail.

They've changed something.

It was most likely a "bug" and they ninja fixed it then :P. I don't think Vxsote wasn't insinuating that you blatantly falsified any claims, he/she was merely listing it as a possibility. Thanks again for doing these tests, not having +2 skill makes or breaks some HQ tiers so yeah, it's pretty important lol.