OK, so I just finished doing ARII salvage, and noticed something odd. All Design plans are supposed to be double, but an Acrolith, which dropped 4 Umbrage, a Cotton Purse, and 1 Bloodshed plan, as well as a Lamia Spoliator which dropped 3 Bloodshed Plans.
Has anyone else noticed that not all design plan drops have doubled?
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It's probably "We added more drop slots" not "Umbrage Drop Slot 1 is now guaranteed to give 2 plans", knowing SE...
Phoenix.Terasan said: » It's probably "We added more drop slots" not "Umbrage Drop Slot 1 is now guaranteed to give 2 plans", knowing SE... If that's the case, it's a clear case of false advertising. SE clearly stated that the number of design plans that dropped would be doubled. I read it as the possible drops doubled, meaning luck and TH is still a factor
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The way i read it was plans that were 1-2.. are now 2-4, and plans that were 0-1, are now 0-2. Since this seemed the most obvious and likely scenario, and also exactly what they described.
If im not mistaken, Bloodshed plans from the NM You got just 1 from can drop, 0-1, so now they drop 0-2. You can still get minimum values, meaning you'll want TH, its just now the minimums/maximums are slightly higher, and you can't double 0, so there's still a chance for 0 if the NM Previously dropped 0-1. Edit: Though I can see how one might think "If i get 1, i get 2! if i get 2 i get 4!", But, yah, I read it as above, 1-2 become 2-4, 0-1 become 0-2. It could be they doubled the drop rate? Or in SE fashion they added another 'roll' for the drop [similar to a base TH1].
"During the campaign period, the amount of design plans will be doubled."
Directly from the official SE event page. Even if what Karbuncle explained is true, it's still a breach of their advertisement. Not only that, but the Lamia Spoliator drops 1-2 Bloodshed regularly, and since every other NM with the exception of the two listed in my OP dropped twice the number of plans as usual, It may be an error or glitch. I'm just wondering if anyone else has experienced this, or if it's intended. If plans dropped go from 1-2, to 2-4 (meaning 3 is possible), Its not a breach in advertisement, as you're still getting double the drops, its just TH/etc still effects them... Your Drop potential is doubled, even if you get 3 plans, You're getting more than you were before, and instead of 1 minimum, its 2.
When i do my run later today, I'll let you know, But i expect to see 1's and 3's, as i expected too when they announced it... I doubt its a glitch, but I'll report later. I mean, If it was 1=2 and 2=4, I wouldn't complain, But 2-4 is what I expected :X The same happened to my group in BR today. Off-set plans only dropped 1 plan still, and we had an NM that dropped 3 plans, which doesn't fit in with the doubled droprate logic.
EDIT: Especially considering, it is worded like so: "During the campaign period, the amount of the following design plans dropped will be doubled: Bloodshed Plans / Primacy Plans / Umbrage Plans / Tutelary Plans / Ritualistic Plans" Submitted a bug report about it none-the-less. Can support it there or argue why here. When I see a statement like the above from them though, I kind of expect it to be literally double. Official Forums Report~
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Make sure to actually follow the format in the sticky or a GM is just going to come and say "Use the format".
Why are you going to file a bug report over a grammatical error. It was more than likely meant to say-
""During the campaign period, the potential amount of the following design plans dropped will be doubled: Bloodshed Plans / Primacy Plans / Umbrage Plans / Tutelary Plans / Ritualistic Plans"" Bismarck.Snprphnx said: » Why are you going to file a bug report over a grammatical error. It was more than likely meant to say- ""During the campaign period, the potential amount of the following design plans dropped will be doubled: Bloodshed Plans / Primacy Plans / Umbrage Plans / Tutelary Plans / Ritualistic Plans"" Asura.Karbuncle said: » Make sure to actually follow the format in the sticky or a GM is just going to come and say "Use the format". Ragnarok.Zohnax said: » Bismarck.Snprphnx said: » Why are you going to file a bug report over a grammatical error. It was more than likely meant to say- ""During the campaign period, the potential amount of the following design plans dropped will be doubled: Bloodshed Plans / Primacy Plans / Umbrage Plans / Tutelary Plans / Ritualistic Plans"" Asura.Karbuncle said: » Make sure to actually follow the format in the sticky or a GM is just going to come and say "Use the format". It's SE. Their meaning get screwed up in JP > NA translations. People should know that by now. It doesn't say "We guarantee a 100% drop rate and all drops will be doubled what the max potential currently is". Bismarck.Snprphnx said: » Ragnarok.Zohnax said: » Bismarck.Snprphnx said: » Why are you going to file a bug report over a grammatical error. It was more than likely meant to say- ""During the campaign period, the potential amount of the following design plans dropped will be doubled: Bloodshed Plans / Primacy Plans / Umbrage Plans / Tutelary Plans / Ritualistic Plans"" Asura.Karbuncle said: » Make sure to actually follow the format in the sticky or a GM is just going to come and say "Use the format". It's SE. Their meaning get screwed up in JP > NA translations. People should know that by now. It doesn't say "We guarantee a 100% drop rate and all drops will be doubled what the max potential currently is". That's my point. Often times, we get a post from SE that can be interpreted several ways. But anyway. Go ahead and good luck with your Bug Report, and enjoy the "working as intended" answer you will get.
Phoenix.Terasan said: » It's probably "We added more drop slots" not "Umbrage Drop Slot 1 is now guaranteed to give 2 plans", knowing SE... But drops are overall much better Can't people just be happy there was a temporary increase at all?
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Odin.Eikechi said: » Can't people just be happy there was a temporary increase at all?
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Bismarck.Snprphnx said: » That's my point. Often times, we get a post from SE that can be interpreted several ways. But anyway. Go ahead and good luck with your Bug Report, and enjoy the "working as intended" answer you will get. SE's post was clear and concise; I don't understand how you can say that it can be interpreted different ways. It was more than likely a translation error on SE's part; however, how will people know for sure unless they submit a bug report? I'm happy with the increased drop rate regardless.
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God forbid anyone want clarity in the matter instead of just accepting whatever is tossed at us. Oh, what a world we live in where people don't question things.
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Asura.Karbuncle said: » If plans dropped go from 1-2, to 2-4 (meaning 3 is possible), Its not a breach in advertisement, as you're still getting double the drops, its just TH/etc still effects them... Your Drop potential is doubled, even if you get 3 plans, You're getting more than you were before, and instead of 1 minimum, its 2. When i do my run later today, I'll let you know, But i expect to see 1's and 3's, as i expected too when they announced it... I doubt its a glitch, but I'll report later. I mean, If it was 1=2 and 2=4, I wouldn't complain, But 2-4 is what I expected :X Agree with you 100% Our group did Bhaflau Remnants II our drops were Ritualistic: Throat Tearer Tregotroq (2), Smouldering Dahak (2), Troll Occultist (3), Troll Guardian (3), Archaic Gear (4), Acrolith (3). We were questioning the same thing everyone else was, but we quickly came to the conclusion you did as well. Ragnarok.Zohnax said: » God forbid anyone want clarity in the matter instead of just accepting whatever is tossed at us. Oh, what a world we live in where people don't question things. Yes because this is a matter WAY deeper than just a video game company increasing drop rates. Face it, we still pay for their product and play their game. Why not just accept there is a noticeable temporary boost to the drop rate and just be happy? Just got 18 plans in one run and I
 100% drops are 100% to be double because they're... 100%. The 40~50% drop plans aren't 100% because they aren't naturally 100%, you still have to actually get the drop in order to get the double drop. Run for me was: Throat Tearer Tregotroq - 2 Smouldering Dahak - 2 Troll Occultist - 3 Troll Guardian - 4 Archaic Gear - 4 Acrolith - 3
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 today BR II - Usu path
1st NM - 2 Usu plans 2nd NM - 2 Usu 1 Marduk 3rd NM - 3 Usu 1 Marduk Coins 4th NM - 3 Usu 1 Marduk 5th NM - 3 Usu 1 Marduk 6th NM - 4 Usu 1 Marduk Coins Also did the Hydra... but don't recall how drops went, but friend got 11 Bloods, 2x cottons coins, don't recall the other plans so yea plans drop 2-4, so is very possible to get 3 Odin.Eikechi said: » Can't people just be happy there was a temporary increase at all?
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said: » Odin.Eikechi said: » Can't people just be happy there was a temporary increase at all? There ya go man, good stuff. Good to see posted SS of drops too. Definitely a lot of people enjoying this it seems.
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Odin.Eikechi said: » Ragnarok.Zohnax said: » God forbid anyone want clarity in the matter instead of just accepting whatever is tossed at us. Oh, what a world we live in where people don't question things. Yes because this is a matter WAY deeper than just a video game company increasing drop rates. Face it, we still pay for their product and play their game. Why not just accept there is a noticeable temporary boost to the drop rate and just be happy? Odin.Eikechi said: » Ragnarok.Zohnax said: » God forbid anyone want clarity in the matter instead of just accepting whatever is tossed at us. Oh, what a world we live in where people don't question things. Yes because this is a matter WAY deeper than just a video game company increasing drop rates. Face it, we still pay for their product and play their game. Why not just accept there is a noticeable temporary boost to the drop rate and just be happy? Who is unhappy? :) Odin.Eikechi said: » Sylph.Tigerwoods said: » Odin.Eikechi said: » Can't people just be happy there was a temporary increase at all? There ya go man, good stuff. Good to see posted SS of drops too. Definitely a lot of people enjoying this it seems.
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