NQ Hauby Vs. Shura Togi For SAM

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 Carbuncle.Taintedone
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By Carbuncle.Taintedone 2009-08-13 14:15:05  
Heh, carrying this over from a different post.

NQ Hauby vs. Shura Togi for SAM to TP in.

Post any relevant data....and post something more coherent than "NQ Hauby pwns k thx bai".............

GO!
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By Asura.Shua 2009-08-13 14:21:51  
Shura togi has +10 acc.
Hauby has +10 acc and +5 dex = more acc all together.
Huaby has +10 attack +5 str, = alittle less then +13 attack? (maybe?)

MNKs use Togi for more H2H DPS
SAMs Use Hauby for more acc to spam ws. (not so much DPS)

Shura kinda looks gay.
Hauby is full of win. NQ or NOT.
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By Unicorn.Excesspain 2009-08-13 14:24:55  
Shua said:
Shura togi has +10 acc.
Hauby has +10 acc and +5 dex = more acc all together.
Huaby has +10 attack +5 str, = alittle less then +13 attack? (maybe?)

MNKs use Togi for more H2H DPS
SAMs Use Hauby for more acc to spam ws. (not so much DPS)

My avatar looks gay.
Hauby is full of win. NQ or NOT.


Fixed.
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 Carbuncle.Luckydeville
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By Carbuncle.Luckydeville 2009-08-13 14:25:24  
hauby ftw!!
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By Bahamut.Nightcrew 2009-08-13 14:28:05  
yeah, Hauby will give you like 3.75 extra Acc from the Dex, if i remember the conversion right, 4Dex=3Acc or .75 Acc per 1 Dex. same with the Str, so you're not losing too much Atk either. Hauby is really the best a Sam can get their hands on.
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By Asura.Shua 2009-08-13 14:30:13  
lol Really Excesspain?
Jealous of my Spiderman undies?!
Or mebbe my tigger hood, from the hood?!
psh.

Buy a hauby, there cheap now.
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By Unicorn.Excesspain 2009-08-13 14:31:22  
No it's the Spy Kids poster in the BG!
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By Hades.Hiryo 2009-08-13 14:31:32  
Shua said:


Buy a hauby, there cheap now.


And full of win!
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-08-13 14:33:18  
Excesspain said:
No it's the Spy Kids poster in the BG!
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By Carbuncle.Taintedone 2009-08-13 15:27:31  
Hiryo said:
Shua said:


Buy a hauby, there cheap now.


And full of win!


And full of win! lololol

That is epic and awesome!
:)
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-08-13 15:28:20  
Togi on sam = /point /laugh
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By Valefor.Usul 2009-08-13 15:49:59  
Vegetto said:
Togi on sam = /point /laugh
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By Asura.Volition 2009-08-13 15:59:25  
Excesspain said:
Shua said:
Shura togi has +10 acc.
Hauby has +10 acc and +5 dex = more acc all together.
Huaby has +10 attack +5 str, = alittle less then +13 attack? (maybe?)

MNKs use Togi for more H2H DPS
SAMs Use Hauby for more acc to spam ws. (not so much DPS)

My avatar looks gay.
Hauby is full of win. NQ or NOT.


Fixed.

Honestly it took me forever to find the edit heh
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By Seraph.Caiyuo 2009-08-13 15:59:26  
Not that I'm even aware of any documented tests or literal "proof" outside of the logic listed here, but I think OP was looking for links to tests or something to that effect of some considerable documentation. All I can say is given the numbers from a strictly DD-perspective (discounting -evasion/-AGI/-HP and lack thereof on each piece) there are probably some cases where a Togi would pull ahead somehow when the added accuracy and STR/DEX effects of Hauby meant so little that the extra attack from a Togi would cause someone to pull ahead. I think most can agree that this instance would be so very rare that it isn't worth chancing in comparison to something so impressive as Hauby. Hope that helps!
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By Carbuncle.Taintedone 2009-08-13 16:20:21  
Yeah, I was looking more for tests done comparing one vs. the other, which I have not been able to find anywhere online at all...most conversations that I've found go something along the lines of:

<ShuraSam> So which one is better Togi or Hauby?
<HaubySam> Hauby pwns you n00b!
<ShuraSam> Have you seen any proof offering up that Hauby is definitively superior?
<HaubySam> Um...no, but Hauby is def better
<ShuraSam> Why is that?
<HaubySam> Well it's generally known and recognized that Hauby is better for Sam...
<ShuraSam> You do realize that it was also widely known and realized that the world was flat at one time right?
<HaubySam> -.-

Lol, I'm not arguing for the sake of arguing or even saying that Hauby isn't the superior TP piece.....I'm just wanting to know if anyone has done any testing/knows of any parsing that proves one way or the other, which I personally haven't been able to find anywhere.

But apparently what I have learned is Hauby is full of win if nothing else.... :D
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By Cerberus.Cecilharvey 2009-08-13 16:21:03  
Well as it been said many & many times before, you need at least 60 accu from gears to hit the monsters around 94%, what else? Y/G/K are mostly STR based WS, all i can tell you is to check this: http://ffxigear.com

Check whats better betwin Hauby or Shura, make your own opinion, but myself i'd tell you to try to get a Hauby+1 personnaly, its an effort but its a lot more worth than paying a price like 800k~1M to get a Cursed Togi & time to get the Abju relative to it.
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By Carbuncle.Taintedone 2009-08-13 16:22:09  
Cecilharvey said:
Well as it been said many & many times before, you need at least 60 accu from gears to hit the monsters around 94%, what else? Y/G/K are mostly STR based WS, all i can tell you is to check this: http://ffxigear.com

Check whats better betwin Hauby or Shura, make your own opinion, but myself i'd tell you to try to get a Hauby+1 personnaly, its an effort but its a lot more worth than paying a price like 800k~1M to get a Cursed Togi & time to get the Abju relative to it.


Yeah....wasn't really talking about HQ Hauby's, just NQ, but thx though...
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By Cerberus.Cecilharvey 2009-08-13 16:27:04  
Taintedone said:
Cecilharvey said:
Well as it been said many & many times before, you need at least 60 accu from gears to hit the monsters around 94%, what else? Y/G/K are mostly STR based WS, all i can tell you is to check this: http://ffxigear.com

Check whats better betwin Hauby or Shura, make your own opinion, but myself i'd tell you to try to get a Hauby+1 personnaly, its an effort but its a lot more worth than paying a price like 800k~1M to get a Cursed Togi & time to get the Abju relative to it.


Yeah....wasn't really talking about HQ Hauby's, just NQ, but thx though...


I was making a comparation betwin the price of a Hauby NQ which is around 250k on my server, & a 780~800k C.Togi, w/o count the time to get the abju, if you want to go get an item which will cost you time & Money, HQ Hauby will be a lot better since you can use it for a lot more job than the Shura, & at Lv59.
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By Ramuh.Thunderz 2009-08-13 16:41:39  
QFT ^

Haub is full of win just get on the bandwagon or ill cut you! o.o
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By Cerberus.Cecilharvey 2009-08-13 16:51:12  
Thunderz said:
QFT ^


He asked for ppl advices & guess, i given him mines.
no need to play the tougth man over the net around that ^^
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By Ramuh.Thunderz 2009-08-13 16:55:45  
Cecilharvey said:
Thunderz said:
QFT ^


He asked for ppl advices & guess, i given him mines.
no need to play the tougth man over the net around that ^^


im just messing around of course

Also I find it a waste to turn nuevo into a haub could have used it for something else seriously

also a haub can be used by a lot of DD jobs at a low lvl >.> and its also handy for them level sync fights
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By Carbuncle.Okamiwolf 2009-08-13 17:05:48  
Shura Togi: Hi, I'm a Shura Togi!

Hauby: And I'm a Haubergeon! Hey Shura Togi, I have more accuracy than you! Also I provide more STR for SAM WS! Hard to beat eh? Plus I provide more Ninjas with better DD stats to keep hate with!

Shura Togi: So you mean you are able hit more and harder on enemies for SAM's? And on top of that make it easier for NIN's to keep hate.

Hauby: Yup all part of the package.

Shura Togi: But how well do you work with Monks?

Hauby: What do you mean how well do I work with Monks?

Shura Togi: You know, do all those awesome stats go for Monks too? I think they need accuracy too.

Hauby: Well um... Monks can't wear me.

Shura Togi: Oh... Well you're great for SAM's and helps for NIN's to do more dmg, but too bad it has a downside for NIN's.

Hauby: You mean that -AGI and -Evasion? Please those won't matter since they'll be using Shadows to tank in!

Shura Togi: ...

*Mac vs PC music plays off while it ends*
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By Cerberus.Cecilharvey 2009-08-13 17:06:27  
Thunderz said:
Cecilharvey said:
Thunderz said:
QFT ^


He asked for ppl advices & guess, i given him mines.
no need to play the tougth man over the net around that ^^


im just messing around of course



My apologies ^^;
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By Seraph.Caiyuo 2009-08-13 17:18:16  
Cecilharvey said:
Thunderz said:
QFT ^


He asked for ppl advices & guess, i given him mines.
no need to play the tougth man over the net around that ^^
The whole annoying forum "QFT" thing means "quoted for truth" meaning they're in agreement, which I don't think everyone knows. It seems like you might have interpreted it as "quit *** talking" as a lot first think. XD
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By Cerberus.Cecilharvey 2009-08-13 17:22:33  
Yes its what i tougth, thats why i said i apologize.
Many ppl use the QFT as Quit *** Talking, 1st time i ever seen it as "Quoted for truth" sorry for the annoyance.
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By Hades.Hiryo 2009-08-13 17:24:55  
Taintedone said:
Yeah, I was looking more for tests done comparing one vs. the other, which I have not been able to find anywhere online at all...most conversations that I've found go something along the lines of:

<ShuraSam> So which one is better Togi or Hauby?
<HaubySam> Hauby pwns you n00b!
<ShuraSam> Have you seen any proof offering up that Hauby is definitively superior?
<HaubySam> Um...no, but Hauby is def better
<ShuraSam> Why is that?
<HaubySam> Well it's generally known and recognized that Hauby is better for Sam...
<ShuraSam> You do realize that it was also widely known and realized that the world was flat at one time right?
<HaubySam> -.-

Lol, I'm not arguing for the sake of arguing or even saying that Hauby isn't the superior TP piece.....I'm just wanting to know if anyone has done any testing/knows of any parsing that proves one way or the other, which I personally haven't been able to find anywhere.

But apparently what I have learned is Hauby is full of win if nothing else.... :D


*** yeah.
What more do you need?
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By Lakshmi.Vetramont 2009-08-13 17:33:06  
I got both, and I've always used Shura Togi for SAM just because MNK was my first endgame job and I'm used to the bodypiece. Should really just invest in a Haubergeon+1, but I'm holding out for an Askar Body so I can finally ditch the Hachiman feet.
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By Seraph.Caiyuo 2009-08-13 17:35:00  
Cecilharvey said:
Yes its what i tougth, thats why i said i apologize.
Many ppl use the QFT as Quit *** Talking, 1st time i ever seen it as "Quoted for truth" sorry for the annoyance.
It's not an annoyance, I just didn't want you to think someone was trying to shoot you down when that wasn't the intention. D: The thing I meant was annoying is the use of QFT in general. lol
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By Carbuncle.Taintedone 2009-08-13 17:39:05  
Okamiwolf said:
Shura Togi: Hi, I'm a Shura Togi!

Hauby: And I'm a Haubergeon! Hey Shura Togi, I have more accuracy than you! Also I provide more STR for SAM WS! Hard to beat eh? Plus I provide more Ninjas with better DD stats to keep hate with!

Shura Togi: So you mean you are able hit more and harder on enemies for SAM's? And on top of that make it easier for NIN's to keep hate.

Hauby: Yup all part of the package.

Shura Togi: But how well do you work with Monks?

Hauby: What do you mean how well do I work with Monks?

Shura Togi: You know, do all those awesome stats go for Monks too? I think they need accuracy too.

Hauby: Well um... Monks can't wear me.

Shura Togi: Oh... Well you're great for SAM's and helps for NIN's to do more dmg, but too bad it has a downside for NIN's.

Hauby: You mean that -AGI and -Evasion? Please those won't matter since they'll be using Shadows to tank in!

Shura Togi: ...

*Mac vs PC music plays off while it ends*


Thanks for the fake inanimate object conversation, but only one one of these types per topic plz :D
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By Carbuncle.Okamiwolf 2009-08-13 17:42:03  
Heehee xD I'm just going along =P But personally I think the Shura Togi is best for DDing, and then Hauby (if not some other piece) to WS in. The Haubergeon is seriously great until 75, and it'll last you a long time too. But the Shura Togi is by no means the end all body piece for SAM.
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