I <3 DRK... Should I Cry

Not denying it could rival Rag in certain situations, but to claim it is the best all round great sword in the game?

XHit, STP needs, Attack potential (it has +50 but lower skill so meh) etc etc.

The purpose of my statement was more to quell the thought line of "if you want to play dark knight, you need ragnarok and apocalypse". I find that all too often, players spend all of their time & resources pursing and endgame weapon to be deemed useful but then are severally lacking overall. If you spend 100 million building a ragnarok, but then have no AF/Relic reforge 119, no R15 xaddi gear, no +1 cizin, your probably going to suck. So my advise to up those looking to play drk would be try and grab the meko blade from incursion, and for those situations when you do need that weapon accuracy try and get a mesyohi sword. It should be fairly easy to get since most people doing that bcnm would be after the hauby.

You don't even know how the item works, but yet you give advice.
If you take the shoes off you lose the defensive benefit. You must keep them on to reduce the amount of defense lost.


I personally never full time these shoes outside of Ballista and only vs. a select few jobs.



I suggest everyone leave this thread who is serious about this job. Feel free to PM me and I am happy to talk to anyone who has questions.

I suggest nobody PM that guy unless you want to be laughed out of alliances.

That doesn't even beat a Crobaci +2 with +25 DMG and +10 WSD, does it? Or a Macbain with acc/atk and WSD.

No? My understanding of what I am is very sound, thanks.

Funnest thing about DRK is having an Apoc using weird subs (/RDM /WHM /THF /BLU /MNK) in low man/old/mission content.

Least you have the ability on top of that to get a great sword and be useful in higher tier content.

In the end its you that is ignorant. If you are playing as a low class dd or if you just plain suck, then you are wasting other peoples time. yes you can beat some delves using drk but why would you? its like trying to screw in a screw using your bare hands vs using a screw driver or better yet an electric drill.

leave drk where it is, solo funses. when you're on the clock play a real job and get things done.

Drk isnt bad. If you plan on endgame I would get a REM weapon. Ive seen darks parse good enough to do endgame content. Point blank play what you want. They suffice as a DD, just make sure its geared well.

Taking DRK to endgame is more like trying to screw a screw in with a slightly slower drill that misses a few heads (aka stuff like formless strikes).

If you need a DD and DRK does enough DMG there really isn't any issue. That said when getting random people will avoid DRK since it's DMG varies so much more with gear/skill than most jobs.

That said DRK does have a few things that makes them "useful" like if ya not capping attack and your using chaos roll the +10% attack to the other DD will make up the DMG your lack and then some and if you have a shoddy stunner having DRK to back up stun is nice. Also soul enslavement is pretty strong and in 6 man events can stop mobs WSing for 30sec as your dmg skyrockets.

Right they are good enough to do somethings. If the drk is near perfectly geared then it will about equal a low end sam with tsuru.

hrm...

The only advantage Meko has over Ragnarok is x-hit. The base damage doesn't add up to much when you put in OD2.5 and 14% crit rate, the attack is basically even, and the accuracy is ~50 less. I can see it keeping up, and being close enough to be a reasonable stopgap while you focus on other gear, but it's in no way superior to Ragnarok.

Plus Ragnarok is just sexier than a sword that looks like it came off the Titanic's rotor.

The question mark was to give you the benefit of the doubt. The reality is, that weapon is down too much on accuracy to be a serious option for real content.

None of those weapons beat Rag in total DPS, the 13% proc of 2.5x and +14% crit become rather important. If you are using the DPS spreed sheets be sure to enable Rag as a 119 weapon, currently they only count Apoc for the 2.5x damage boost. With Rag you pretty much want to do a 6-hit and then stuff as much multi-attack as possible. 5-hit is possible but it requires you drop quite a bit of MA so you don't really get anywhere with it.

After running in spreadsheets best-case scenario for Incursion blade (acc doesn't matter), I get Rag > Macbain with acc/atck and wsd > Crobaci with atk/sd > Meko. It's not even the best option where it's strongest... in Ragnarok's wheelhouse, it'll be thumped. So yeah, that's bad advice.

What buffs did you use? With standard brd songs, Sam+chaos roll against tojil, meko is fair but ahead of rag. Again, my point was not to say ragnarok is bad, it was to quell the idea of ragnarok or bust.

Just curious Fasaga if you have a Ragnarok yourself? If you are beating Rag DRKs in a fully buffed situation, those DRKs must be horrible.

I get the opposite, but whatever...

Nobody said "rag or bust", but it is a very obtainable weapon for basically anyone, and if you're serious about a job, especially one that isn't taken to most things, you should strive to obtain the best gear and weapon you reasonably can. The other GS's are stopgaps until rag, not alternatives.

I do not have a ragnarok, nor do I play drk very often. I do however think that that given the nature of the OP's question, "how can I play this job I like after returning and being behind", the answer is not to drop 100+mil on a weapon when there is other choices that are either situationally 5% ahead or behind of said weapon.

Target was debuffed Tojil, standard buffs (bard songs, cor rolls), and /SAM, so attack and accuracy were both capped or close. All four greatsword options were pretty close (~15 dps spread I think).

The thing is, I don't disagree with you. Ragnarok doesn't have a huge edge in Delve1-level content, if at all. But once you're jumping to content like Yorcia or Incursion, where every bit of accuracy matters, 50-some accuracy is just too much to give up. That's huge.

edit- would like to add that I don't have a Ragnarok. Yet. I have a project to finish for my wife, and then I will, though... I have about a third of the required currency already. Rag should be the first goal for anyone who wants to play drk.

Watch Attack on Titan and then Game of Thrones(all seasons), when you're done with that watch House of Cards. Avengers 2 and Superman vs Batman should be out by then.

At no time should you come back to this game if you enjoy playing any dps class other than SAM or MNK.

ESPECIALLY not DRK! =/

I feel the same with with Tsu and Koga SAMs. Tsu isn't too far behind Koga but Koga still wins. Same with Rag, Rag still wins even if others aren't too far behind. I think what people are disagreeing with you on is your claim to say Ragnarok isn't the best choice. It's up to a person if they want to spend 100m on a relic that's only x % ahead. I guess it depends on how serious a person is playing the job, and how much he/she is willing to invest into it. If you don't play the job as often then I would agree on using other options.

Eh? Why all the doom and gloom? There's nothing majorly wrong with dark knight. I did a couple of pug Tojils over the weekend. There was another SAM in the party, and a monk. I did over 40% of direct damage (and over 10% of damage were my self-SCs), so about half of all damage was mine.. I literally doubled his damage. You're telling me that, on dark knight with Apoc or Liberator, you could not beat that samurai? edit: meant Rag or Liberator, sorry.

DRK should be roughly comparable to MNK, and while you won't beat a good samurai, I guarantee you that you'll beat a lot of average ones.

Because everyone who was worth anything quit the game and the only other people around are idiots who want sam or mnk onry.
No other melee jobs exist.
Solo content sucks.Better off playing console games.

But the samurai circle jerk is all the rage right now!

Sigh. DRK does exist, and DRK does well. I have had occasions when someone has picked my DRK over a MNK. Not because the MNK was the worst DD of all time, but because the leader knew I would deliver the damage. DRK is great, get that Ragnarok and kill stuff. SAM is overpowered, I can admit that, but throughout the entirety of FFXI there has always been a "best" DD, and DRK was only seriously behind in the early days, when our accuracy sucked so much, and bad DRKs gave us a bad rep with their Souleater riding. Damn MP Sponges. I waited weeks for a party once, with my flag up constantly, but when I did get a party, I would be complimented for my bloodthirsty attitude. Leaving a good impression gets you invited back.

Point is, DRK is a really good DD if you know how to play it, and it has versatility. I don't solo on DRK very often, but if I seriously wanted to, I would build an Apoc. But I don't want to do that on DRK, it is all about the damage, so I would prefer to take my DRK into high buff situations and deliver the goods. I have seen some pretty bad SAM and MNK that can't keep up in recent times. I am rarely last on the parse, even against SAMs and MNKs, they have to be some of the best players players on the server for that to happen (Mythic 119 SAM and 119 Empy MNK usually). I have never said I am the best, I am an acceptable DD. I would say I am very good, but I am not elitist, I am more of a casual player, I don't play 24/7 like some, and I am not in an event linkshell. I do everything through PUGs.

Also why are people saying that something is better than a Ragnarok when a) they don't even have one, and b) they rarely play DRK. I rarely play Corsair, you don't see me going into the corsair forum and giving advice on what "the best" is. There are stopgap weapons for DRK, many of them actually. Senbaak isn't a bad start. Chances are if you are a casual player, you won't be getting into Incursion to even acquire a Meko Blade, so there's no point in pointing it out. Macbain is probably the easier option (as it doesn't solely rely on luck and sneaking into an Incursion party with a gimp job), but you still have to do Alluvion Skirmish, which is not really intended for someone who is returning.

If I had just returned, and I had no jobs levelled whatsoever. I would get DRK up to 99, buy a Senbaak, then I would work on getting loads of bayld. I would get access to all the zones that have wildskeeper reives, and get myself a Kaquljaan. Then I would augment it. From then on I would focus on a) sparks for reforged b) skirmish for cizin and c) farming gil for Ragnarok. I wouldn't go anywhere near Incursion until after I got my Ragnarok.

This thread is *** stupid. Drk is a great job and does just fine, if you like it... Then play it. If somebody tells you otherwise and to lvl a better DD job then let them go *** themselves and find smarter people to play with.