Weird Tizona Question

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Weird Tizona Question
 Phoenix.Bunas
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By Phoenix.Bunas 2016-05-12 03:18:28  
Does double atk and triple atk effect Tizonas atks twice/thrice? A friend was saying that it does and it actually hurts Tizona. Just looking for some clarification.
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By geigei 2016-05-12 03:50:31  
AM3>multi attacks.
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By Siren.Akson 2016-05-12 03:56:07  
Double att hurts it. Reducing AM3 Triple Att rate. Triple Att doesnt hurt it at all.
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By Odin.Llewelyn 2016-05-12 03:56:09  
Phoenix.Bunas said: »
[...]and it actually hurts Tizona
It doesn't. Neither DA nor TA will ever actually *reduce* your DPS with AM3.
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By Bismarck.Dubai 2016-05-12 03:59:48  
The real Question should be, which is better for acquiring more/faster TP; store tp+ or critical hit rate% be better when having AM3 up?
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By Siren.Akson 2016-05-12 04:00:16  
Odin.Llewelyn said: »
Phoenix.Bunas said: »
[...]and it actually hurts Tizona
It doesn't. Neither DA nor TA will ever actually *reduce* your DPS with AM3.
It reduces TA rate and stacking STP over DA gear for AM3 is optimal if cant stack TA but it doesnt hurt DPS just TA rate. Agreed?
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By Odin.Llewelyn 2016-05-12 04:02:46  
Siren.Akson said: »
stacking STP over DA gear for AM3 is optimal
Depends how much STP vs how much DA and the rest of your gear/buffs. People really overstate the "negative" impact of DA for AM3 on dual wielders. On 2-handers it's nearly worthless (but still not a DPS loss), yes, but for dual wielders one of your hands is still getting the full benefit of it.
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By Creaucent Alazrin 2016-05-12 04:24:29  
Don't forget with one handers reducing any DA will effect the off hand which will also reduce your DPS. That being said most of blus top gear has TA on it instead of DA. I don't have a Tizona but the only pieces i can think of off the top of my head that i use are Samnhua tights but they also have TA, brutal, cessance, asperity, kentarch and DA rosmerta's cape. I think the only piece of non DA gear that is a big increase is a STP+10 rosmerta's though you might want to have a search around as I'm not sure on numbers.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2016-05-12 11:17:47  
geigei said: »
AM3>multi attacks.
This is both procedurally and mathematically incorrect.

Siren.Akson said: »
Odin.Llewelyn said: »
Phoenix.Bunas said: »
[...]and it actually hurts Tizona
It doesn't. Neither DA nor TA will ever actually *reduce* your DPS with AM3.
It reduces TA rate and stacking STP over DA gear for AM3 is optimal if cant stack TA but it doesnt hurt DPS just TA rate. Agreed?
This is also incorrect.

OAX is checked last when calculating multihits. The order is QA>TA>DA>OAX. As such, AM3 cannot reduce your proc rate for any of the preceding multiattack stats.

Furthermore, even DA is always a net gain over AM3. Look at it this way: for any hit where DA procs, it will add one hit. If you remove that DA proc, AM3 will on average add 0.8 hits (40% OA2, 20% OA3). This is a very small change in multiattack rate, but BLU generally dual wields so you also have a non-OAX offhand to account for.
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By geigei 2016-05-12 11:55:11  
And i thought am proc before traits/gear...derp.
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By Phoenix.Bunas 2016-05-12 14:26:37  
thanks for all the responses!
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By Blazed1979 2016-05-12 14:34:38  
If only H2H was treated like Dual Wield.. oh what fun we would have..
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