Cancel Culture Got EVO

Already addressed that. It's online. They can bump it back. There's no "this must happen today" there's no plane tickets. No hotels. No stage to set up. No venue to rent. it's open ended.

And yes, EVO 2021 is still a thing, until you decide it's not good enough and cancel that too.

Man if you wanna talk about "cancel culture" I'm down. I'm pretty damn leftist (if that wasn't already super obvious) and there are problems with cancel culture.

But for Evo, this ain't it chief.

("Cancel culture" isn't a consistent, top-down organization or movement either. You can say "it's the feminazis!!" but the far-right does the same thing, you just don't SEE it because it involves literal Nazi-ism and white supremacy. Cancel culture is just a reaction from people that can't/don't understand that people can be both good and bad at the same time. (At least, at the individual level.)

At the corporate level it is literally just PR so they can save money. It's faux-wokeness.)

Bump it back til when though? They still COULD reschedule it to be later but what are they gonna do, say "hey guys we're pushing this back until August"? What happens when August rolls around and things haven't gotten better? ***, what if they've gotten worse? It doesn't make sense to push it back to a specific timeframe. You could just do "yeah we're pushing it back a little bit" but that's effectively the same as cancelling it. Professional gamers have schedules too, and they wouldn't want to have to "retrain" for Evo all over again for some vague date that might even get pushed back again!!


This is just fear-mongering and slippery-sloping. There is no evidence about ANYTHING relating to EVO 2021. This isn't an actual logical argument.

All those smash players will still be rapists in 2021, so guess we can't ever have any events again.

All those smash players will still be rapists in 2022. 2023. 2024. 2025.

They will never not be "those rapists that play smash and are part of EVO"

A comparison (for me at least) would be anime conventions and COVID. Otakon takes place in July-August but was cancelled a few months ago because of COVID.

They -could- have pushed it back but the truth is, we have no *** idea WHEN things are gonna be safe enough to have people come back. As organizers, are you going to keep advertising for an event that got pushed back that might not even happen? Or is it more logical to just cut your losses here and dedicate your time and money (hiring costs, advertising costs, maintenance costs, etc.) to a more tangible event a year from now?

Those Smash players are gone forever. That was never the point.

The actual, TANGIBLE concern here is that "hey guys, children and teens have routinely been preyed upon in these communities, we should maybe stop this from happening. I have no idea how to do this in the span of 48 hours. Let's try to fix this over the next year so we have a safer space for everyone."

EDIT: ^^ At the moralistic, ethical level. The PR rationale is immediately obvious. "Oh ***we're in a lot of trouble. Let's cancel this so we can save face and then return after we figure this ***out."

Online Event.

Sexual abuse happens online too. Your point?

Come on. Seriously?

Awe ***twitch chat will sexually assault my eyeballs!

...If you want to pretend that "rapist A" can disguise himself and pretend to be "totally not a rapist B" I would've given you that. But that's the route you chose.

(that argument wouldn't work either, by the way, but at least it would've been a good shot)

Yeah seriously, are you new here?

Are you gonna pretend all those stories of Youtubers and streamers sending *** pics and sexting to minors over Discord aren't examples of sexual abuse???

It's not "it wasn't LITERAL rape therefore who cares lmao"

Cancel the entire internet, we just discovered today that you can be sexually accosted in chat!

It has nothing to do with a tournament.

Nice strawman dude.

You DO know that it's illegal to send sexually explicit messages to minors online, right? You don't have to ACTUALLY penetrate someone for it to be a crime.

That's going to happen regardless of a fighting tournament.

Cancelling evo doesn't cancel all predation. (predatory behavior?)

Yes it does LOL

This happens at anime conventions too, and they've had to reckon with the same thing.

Smash players would throw parties at these tournaments and they would literally have sex with each other, several times with minors. THAT IS EVO'S PROBLEM IF IT HAPPENS AT EVO.

Beyond that, these players (often minors) will have ongoing online/text-based communications, which can also be sexually-charged. Just look at Zack's case in the Smash community.

This is EVERYONE (in the Smash community's) problem. Why has this been going on for so long? Who KNEW but didn't say anything? Again, this isn't specifically a EVO-only thing (aside from the CEO situation, which is what pushed this over to "cancel EVO" territory).

Again, a huge number of prominent Smash players are personally reevaluating how they engage with "the community." Don't try to sweep this under the rug as a mistake on Evo's part.

Online Event. It's an Online Event.

Keep bringing up ***that happens at LIVE EVENTS.

I've addressed the former. You're only hearing about EVO because it literally would have started today, and also that EVO just so happens to be the biggest one.

You're confusing words again. This year's EVO is cancelled. EVO, in general, is not cancelled.

Cancelling THIS YEAR's EVO gives the organizers and event organizers time to learn what precautions they can add for NEXT YEAR so that this happens less frequently. (If sexual abuse happens at their events, either in-person or online, that is a HUGE legal liability for EVO, the organization.)

Two dudes Competitors stream, one of those dudesCompetitors wins money. Fans get to watch.

There's nothing else. There's no rapes. There's no assaults. There's no touchies. There's no bad PR. There's nothing.

If they want to throw a plague party and rape someone after they win. They were going to do that anyway, it's completely separated from EVO.

You're *** daft holy ***, this happens ONLINE TOO

The CaptainZack-Nairo affair DID culminate in oral sex in person, but sexual abuse had occurred ONLINE WAY BEFORE THIS TIME.

THE ACTUAL SEXUAL ENCOUNTER, THE TERMINAL EVENT OF THE HISTORY OF ABUSE, SO HAPPENED TO BE AT SMASHCON. Zack and Nairo HAD MET and BEGAN SEXTING at a previous Smash event! For all we know maybe it DOES OFTEN start at online-only events! That's such a likely possibility that it's just safer to cancel it altogether this year.

Are you actually not getting this?

Have you actually been to a higher-level FGC tournament? Are you a member of an upper-echelon FGC?

Like, do you remember when Tumblr got tremendous ***because of all the pedophiles that would target kids on their platform? That ABSOLUTELY is Tumblr's problem, even if the pedophiles and children eventually moved off of Tumblr to have cybersex. Tumblr *** DEALT with it because they realized the liability... even if pedophiles only use Tumblr to lure kids away from Tumblr and off to another site, that was TREMENDOUSLY BAD for Tumblr itself

The players are the players. They are their own people. They don't matter to EVO.

What a player does, shouldn't even be considered in cancelling EVO. Beside the fact that it's an online event.

I don't care how much you associate "player" with "game" and "game" with "event" they are not connected.

What you do online in your own time, is your time, it's not EVOs problem.

So you don't understand eSports then. The "service", the "commodity" ARE THE PLAYERS. Your service is that you set up a stage and offer enough money such that Nairo and MKLeo play a video game for us to watch. Why do we watch? To see Nairo and MKLeo play. EVO just sets up these matches, but their income, their revenue is directly proportional to these hype matches.

The players are the commodity.

I know your heels are dug into the ground on this one so I'll use a more obvious situation.

Let's say that EVO stays online but they just ban Nairo. What happens if the case against Nairo turns out to be false? Now EVO potentially has a discrimination lawsuit on their hands.

Cancelling the event absolves them from having to enter the murky territory of banning specific players based on allegations. Does that work for you?

No, they aren't. I don't watch EVO for any specific player. I don't watch SCII for any specific player.

just because you can't separate the two doesn't mean that's how it is.

Like damn, this isn't the first time something like this has happened... the 'Roxeanne' reboot was cancelled because Roxanne was a racist and CBS didn't want to associate their name with the PERSON Roxanne (even though she never said anything racist on their show!!)

This is just like, basic optics here.

Not ONE specific player, but when it's literally 20~ top players then yeah, the organizers ***their pants, that's a tremendous loss of income for them

if you run coachella and half of your top acts are implicated in serious crimes and you don't have time to rebook those acts, you'd be shitting your pants too

They kept the show going without Rosann. Shitty example.

it didn't do as well, but the fact remains, they tried.


It's a good thing its AN ONLINE EVENT with 10,000 participants (-50 rapists) that has no specific time frame that can be pushed back if needed.

Dabackpack, you don't argue by shoving your head up a cows *** and screaming, you'll only end up swallowing a bunch of ***. Stop trying to reason with one of asuras resident ***.