Attack Speed Cap?

I'm levelling Ninja at the moment, and not exactly an expert. I'm wondering if you guys can tell me if there is a total weapon delay reduction cap? I know haste caps out at 25% in gear, and any more than that is useless. But if you were to stack say 20% haste & 10% enhanced dual wield, would it cap out? That kind fo setup is rather easy to obtain, and with that 30% reduction, and the 30% reduction from NIN JA's, it seems a little... Over the top. Especially if you throw in marche or haste spell. So is there a cap for the lowest delay you can go?

Sorry if it's a nub question <.<

As far as I know, there's no delay cap. There's only a haste cap, which is 25% from equipment, 43.75% from magic, and 25% from job ability. Overall max haste is 80%, or so wiki says.

Haste and dual wield are calculated separately.

Haste and DW are totally independent of each other. That being said, even with capped haste, DW will still take it's effect. What it also means though is that DW do not enhance each other. DW is exponential attack speed gain to DW. Haste is exponential attack speed gain to haste. Haste is not exponential gain to DW though and DW is not an exponential gain to haste.

So let's say we had 10% haste, added 10% DW.

Now let's say we have 70% haste, added 10% DW.

The 10% DW will increase your attack speed by the exact same in both situations.

I see, thank you for the advice. I was mainly interested since I already have a half decent set of haste / DW from SAM & BLU (Supp, Haidate, etc) and was trying up build up a farming / DD / Innin set for NIN (Quite a few levels off yet, I know). I didn't want to be wasting gil/time on aquiring more gear if it would cap out already. Seems like if I want to go haste/DW route however, going to need serious Katana merits to fit some accuracy in :/

There was discussion that haste for attack speed is based on a X/1024 equation. Which means that really, for attack speed, you need 25.6% haste / 1024 = 25% haste. Overall, to hit the 25%, you really need 26%. But with the haste adjustment, maybe this has changed.

unless your rikiyame, then you need 40% haste to reach the 25% haste cap.

Dual wield caps at 40%
Haste caps at 80%

They are independant of each other, DW is calculated before haste and determines your new base delay along with tp gain per hit with the lowest delay of the 2 weapons determining your tp.

using senju (227)/perdu(190):

((delay * (1-DW))*(1-haste%)= combined delay

((417 * .60)*.20) = 50.04 total delay. This is whats happening when you see a ninja "glitching" meaning they are attacking so fast that graphics cant keep up with the attack rounds. Stack haste in every slot you can, then pile on dual wield, when you have capped acc. If not, you will find yourself dropping dual wield to add accuracy (re: Haub(+1) > ninja chain in uncapped acc)

is this for real? Is it a cap due equipment availability? Maybe you forgot to add one extra DW piece to that sum? Cause suppa + ninja chainmain + koga hakama will give 15%

I doubt 40% is the hard cap, but w/ traits/gear that is the highest you can get.

The other DW items are things like that belt that only works w/ nin sub and acp body, which has less DW than chainmail

The highest amount of DW you can get is 45% at level 75, just as Laphine said those three armor will give you 15%, + your DW in traits which is 30%.

Yes, you can get 45%, but youre telling me that youre going to sack 5% haste and 15 dex for 5% dual wield? be real haidate > hakama. Ninja has a rough time getting near the gear haste cap as is, there is no way you can do it without haidate.

Dual wield will cap at 40% (using haidate) 45% using hakama.

Youre going to max out with 40% dual wield, and 24% haste, unless you include shinobi earring/ring, wyvern earring (/drg).

Ok
45% for gimps
40% for pros. Should have worded it better.

should have, ah well.

but is DW goes first on the calculation making you to attack faster?
for example you have 227-delay katanas(2), 45% dual wield, and 20% haste = 199.76 delay
vs
227-delay katanas(2) 40% dual wield, and 25% haste = 204.3 delay

i think he is talking about the delay, of course haste is better + having more DW gives you less tp.

Both stats have increasing returns, so whichever you have more of to begin with would be preferable in terms of pure attack speed. Add 20% haste via Marches and you'll find Haidate's Haste and Koga Hakama's DW equivalent in your above example. That said, 15 DEX goes a long way and Haste also increases WS frequency, so Haidate are better for total DPS.