Why Do I See So Many 5/5 Usukane SAMs?

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Why do I see so many 5/5 Usukane SAMs?
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2010-05-04 22:53:31  
Sylph.Vincentius said:
... Meat Usukane Polearm at near capped accuracy VS. Haste build Crab Sushi (You're not capping without, and *** Ace's Helm) Polearm at birds = Usu wins. People here stuck in the dark ages or what? For GKT, you don't wear full Usu.
I only said that because, to pull off a proper meat polearm build on colibri you need millions of gil. Plus, not everyone has full usu. Sure, Usu wins, but so what? let's be realistic here.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-05-04 22:53:43  
Mirke looks like balls
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By Sylph.Kozuki 2010-05-04 22:55:02  
I don't know what you're talking about...I think mirke is extremely cute on mithras.
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By Sylph.Vestal 2010-05-04 22:55:08  
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My mirke haidate is sexier!
at the risk of brenda kicking my ***, you in anything is sexier than me.
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By Sylph.Kimble 2010-05-04 22:55:13  
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Mirke looks like balls


Not on mithra!
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-05-04 22:55:25  
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I don't know what you're talking about...I think mirke is extremely cute on mithras.

Never on bald humes

*shudder*
 
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By Ragnarok.Blindphleb 2010-05-04 23:04:29  
@ Tiger

ok with NQ dusk the difference is 2.5acc vs. 1% haste

Remember those Turban vs. Askar threads?
that was 3acc vs. 1% Haste

Which one were you advocating then?
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2010-05-04 23:05:53  
Because 2 free heads vs 2 buyable items, one which is millions of gil, are the same thing.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-05-04 23:07:27  
Bismarck.Dracondria said:
Because 2 free heads vs 2 buyable items, one which is millions of gil, are the same thing.

Gil isn't up for debate, We're talking best use not most cost effective use.
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By Ragnarok.Blindphleb 2010-05-04 23:07:37  
Ace's is free ... Usu costs gil

Besides if we're talking full usu anything I'm sure the cost is our main concern.
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By Sylph.Kozuki 2010-05-04 23:08:34  
Usu is expensive X_X

I would only get more than gloves/boots if I was a mnk or pup :D
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By Sylph.Vincentius 2010-05-04 23:08:41  
If cost is a concern, you really shouldn't even be really debating it, no? The best is the best regardless of price.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-05-04 23:09:24  
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If cost is a concern, you really shouldn't even be really debating it, no? The best is the best regardless of price.
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By Sylph.Kozuki 2010-05-04 23:11:49  
But full usu is worse and costs more...
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-04 23:13:43  
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ok with NQ dusk the difference is 2.5acc vs. 1% haste

Remember those Turban vs. Askar threads?
that was 3acc vs. 1% Haste

Actually, I was comparing the two builds from the previous page. That build, but swapping haub+1 for usu body is the superior choice though, w/ aces. I'll concede, but w/ nq dusk gloves, it's really a side grade than anything. Ace's build should come up to about a .5% increase once you account for full usu's higher str and attack and apply it to the melee portion. I'd use it if I had it, for birds anyway, but yea, Not worth wasting points on ace's, imo.
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By Sylph.Vincentius 2010-05-04 23:16:52  
Sylph.Kozuki said:
But full usu is worse and costs more...

Go make me a sandwich.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-05-04 23:19:31  
So basically what it comes down to yet again is:


Situational ***is situational.
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By Sylph.Biginallways 2010-05-04 23:23:04  
*** bird parties, mamool or go home
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By Sylph.Merow 2010-05-04 23:23:37  
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Actually, I was comparing the two builds from the previous page. That build, but swapping haub+1 for usu body is the superior choice though, w/ aces. I'll concede, but w/ nq dusk gloves, it's really a side grade than anything. Ace's build should come up to about a .5% increase once you account for full usu's higher str and attack and apply it to the melee portion. I'd use it if I had it, for birds anyway, but yea, Not worth wasting points on ace's, imo.

That was the other thing I was thinking about when I set up to 2 gear sets but seeing as I don't have usu body atm I left it out.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-05-04 23:23:37  
Sylph.Biginallways said:
*** bird parties, mamool or go home

eww mamool
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By Ragnarok.Blindphleb 2010-05-04 23:33:32  
@ Tiger

Usu gets +4str and +4 attack over the proper ace's build

With Tomoe you need 84 str to cap fstr on birds

Both sets achieve that cap if you have racial str higher than an unmerited mithra so Usu's +4str is wasted.

Then it comes down to +4 attack and 2.5acc vs. 1% haste

The +4 attack is only good during TP phase so any improvement you'd get from that would be x .30

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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-04 23:37:15  
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Usu gets +4str and +4 attack over the proper ace's build

With Tomoe you need 84 str to cap fstr on birds

Both sets achieve that cap if you have racial str higher than an unmerited mithra so Usu's +4str is wasted.

Then it comes down to +4 attack and 2.5acc vs. 1% haste

The +4 attack is only good during TP phase so any improvement you'd get from that would be x .30

You don't know how fstr works. 84 str wouldn't cap fstr on a thf's dagger, yet alone a polearm.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-04 23:37:57  
And as I've said, ace's usu body build is better, just very very slightly.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-05-04 23:39:57  
Ragnarok.Blindphleb said:
Usu gets +4str and +4 attack over the proper ace's build

With Tomoe you need 84 str to cap fstr on birds

Both sets achieve that cap if you have racial str higher than an unmerited mithra so Usu's +4str is wasted.


Tomoe dmg 86 therefore rank 9 weapon.

Upper fstr cap value at: dSTR = (14 + weapon rank x2) x2= 64

dstr= your str - mob vit

Greater colibri vit 67.

67+64 = 84!?! Are they teaching math differently now or something?
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By Valefor.Thioo 2010-05-04 23:45:54  
I don't jump into hardcore numbers but how do you tell what rank said weapon is?

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By Carbuncle.Rinomaru 2010-05-04 23:47:08  
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-05-04 23:49:21  
Garuda.Mabrook said:
Valefor.Thioo said:
I don't jump into hardcore numbers but how do you tell what rank said weapon is?
I'm guessing 80-90 is a rank 9 and 90-100 is rank 10 etc etc ya?
Close. http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Weapon_Rank