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Great Sword Selection Question
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2012-07-19 19:36:05
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-07-20 11:11:52
Fenrir.Ghostknight said: »I agree with you, without aftermath Ragnarok would beat Caladbolg but in a situation where you would have it up the whole fight (most zergs, VW, etc) I have a very hard time seeing Calad being beaten by anything.
30%-50% ODD (AM active)
Vs
16% OD2.5 and 15% increase in crit. (always up+can stack) + 40acc
Pretty simple to see why Ragnarok is superior especially as the mobs Def and lvl go up. Also as stated WAR+Rag crushes DRK+anything in a zerg (not even in the same ballpark)
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2012-07-20 11:50:41
Fenrir.Ghostknight said: »I agree with you, without aftermath Ragnarok would beat Caladbolg but in a situation where you would have it up the whole fight (most zergs, VW, etc) I have a very hard time seeing Calad being beaten by anything.
30%-50% ODD (AM active)
Vs
16% OD2.5 and 15% increase in crit. (always up+can stack) + 40acc
Pretty simple to see why Ragnarok is superior especially as the mobs Def and lvl go up. Also as stated WAR+Rag crushes DRK+anything in a zerg (not even in the same ballpark)
Has anyone ever tried war/drk in MS zerg for fun and epeen?
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By Avitori 2012-09-20 12:01:10
Fenrir.Ghostknight said: »I think people severely underestimate just how good Caladbolg 99 is, silly people.
Sounds to me like you are trying to justify your mistake.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2012-09-20 12:23:59
Fenrir.Ghostknight said: »I think people severely underestimate just how good Caladbolg 99 is, silly people. Sounds to me like you are trying to justify your mistake.
*necro bumps 60 days later to take a shot*
sounds to be me like youve got something to prove
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2012-09-20 13:06:20
3 different drk threads...must be a slow day >.>
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2012-09-20 13:20:18
speaking of slow day: did you ever figure out who your secret admirer was on gw (@josiah)
By theeklipse85 2012-09-20 14:05:44
speaking of all this got my rag today worth the time money and debt :0
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By Bahamut.Celerez 2012-09-20 16:53:47
How is the Hoarfrost Blade better than the STR Path or even the DEX path Tenebreuse? o.O
New to greatswords... so if there is something I'm missing here... lemme know please.
I would think that the DEX path Tenebreuse, with its ease of obtainability... or the STR path if you have the gil to toss at fire geodes would be a WAY better starter to push for than Hoarfrost from Iggy...
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2012-09-20 16:55:22
The Magian "stat path" swords have funny delay's to work around for certain builds iirc.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-09-20 16:58:18
444 delay is basically bad, yeah. You can hit the same x-hit with lower delay weapons (hi2u Rag/Caladbolg), and you can hit a lower x-hit build with 480 delay weapons (Borealis/Hoarfrost/Fulgurante). Anything in the middle is currently an uncomfortable medium.
Hoarfrost vs Tenebreuse would probably be close, but you could put comparable time/gil in and get an OAT instead which kinda makes the argument moot.
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By Bahamut.Celerez 2012-09-20 16:58:26
The Magian "stat path" swords have funny delay's to work around for certain builds iirc. Cause it's too low? (Tenebreuse: 444 v H.Frost 480)
By Jassik 2012-09-24 16:06:49
Too high to be low delay too low to be high delay. It doesn't fit well into established x-hits and tp overflow devalues the weapon. If you're not well versed with x-hits and how stp works, there's a calculator you can download. Too lazy to get the link from my phone, msybe someone can post it or i will when i get home.
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By Odin.Drgg 2012-09-24 16:16:10
Too high to be low delay too low to be high delay. It doesn't fit well into established x-hits and tp overflow devalues the weapon. If you're not well versed with x-hits and how stp works, there's a calculator you can download. Too lazy to get the link from my phone, msybe someone can post it or i will when i get home. Fancy STP Calc for lazy baddies.
By Jassik 2012-09-24 16:24:47
Cerberus.Kvazz
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-10-08 05:53:00
So, just to bump a drk thread!
What's the optimal torcleaver sets these days?
Been wanting to make some sets for my poor Caladbolg that's been completely neglected for awhile, and it's a fun weapon to use :p
I were thinking about using this.
Would Phorcys Dirs be better?
That's assuming 7hit \sam is the way to go, which as far as I've seen lately it probably is.
Edit: Moonshade whenever I unlazy**
Edit again: Forgot to mention shadow mantle on darksday*
Ragnarok.Ashman
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2012-10-08 06:41:15
So, just to bump a drk thread!
What's the optimal torcleaver sets these days?
Been wanting to make some sets for my poor Caladbolg that's been completely neglected for awhile, and it's a fun weapon to use :p
I were thinking about using this.
Would Phorcys Dirs be better?
That's assuming 7hit \sam is the way to go, which as far as I've seen lately it probably is.
Edit: Moonshade whenever I unlazy**
Edit again: Forgot to mention shadow mantle on darksday*
Windbuffet? If LR was down I would keep some +attack in there but otherwise I think that's just about what you would use for torcleaver.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-10-08 07:01:31
I don't think windbuffet is better since it's a 1hit ws(Ukko and shoha is 2, so that's different), but if that's wrong I'll clearly use that.
I might just end up using Anguinus fulltime to save inventory, and Apathy gorget might be better than Mala? But even if it is I'll still use Mala to save an inv spot(maybe even bomb cover over seashell).
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2012-10-08 07:42:16
I don't think windbuffet is better since it's a 1hit ws(Ukko and shoha is 2, so that's different), but if that's wrong I'll clearly use that. I might just end up using Anguinus fulltime to save inventory, and Apathy gorget might be better than Mala? But even if it is I'll still use Mala to save an inv spot(maybe even bomb cover over seashell).
Mala does have vit but i just meant "since youre not using gorget maybe this too?". Maybe belt for WSC sets? /shrug. I haven't thought about torcleaver sets since getting phorcys and storing ares body.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-10-08 07:43:18
Not like it's a very important set anyways, but handy to do as much as possible when triggering aftermath if nothing else lol
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Phoenix.Urteil
By Phoenix.Urteil 2012-10-08 08:07:19
Just do OAT, bang for buck is best.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-10-08 08:13:26
Just do OAT, bang for buck is best.
I have that aswell, just wanna make some sets for Calad for fun :3
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By Phoenix.Urteil 2012-10-08 08:18:49
Well Caladbolg is not hard to make, there is not much harm in it, it is *your* money.
I think at 99 Caladbolg could be good but the only problem I see with weapon is that it requires near perfect situations to be able to be "better", and the less perfect the situation comes the more it suffers.
But we never know how the game will change, how can it possibly hurt to have every weapon ready?
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-10-08 08:22:36
In the end, as a (really) long term goal I want every DRK weapon at 99, so yeah:P
It basicly uses the exact same sets Ragnarok would use anyways!
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-10-08 08:24:47
Well Caladbolg is not hard to make, there is not much harm in it, it is *your* money.
I think at 99 Caladbolg could be good but the only problem I see with weapon is that it requires near perfect situations to be able to be "better", and the less perfect the situation comes the more it suffers.
But we never know how the game will change, how can it possibly hurt to have every weapon ready?
Plus Mannequins look dead sexy with Cala on their backs.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-10-08 08:52:01
Let's say accuracy really is'nt an issue (this would be for both calad and ragna) would there be anything better than this (as \sam, no regain)?
That's assuming Resolution as weaponskill of choice, torcleaver\scourge would need hagneia stone to 7hit*
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2012-10-08 09:10:55
I don't think windbuffet is better since it's a 1hit ws(Ukko and shoha is 2, so that's different), but if that's wrong I'll clearly use that. I might just end up using Anguinus fulltime to save inventory, and Apathy gorget might be better than Mala? But even if it is I'll still use Mala to save an inv spot(maybe even bomb cover over seashell).
Mala does have vit but i just meant "since youre not using gorget maybe this too?". Maybe belt for WSC sets? /shrug. I haven't thought about torcleaver sets since getting phorcys and storing ares body.
Since the fTP scales on torcleaver, can we say that using an ele belt is not that useful?
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2012-10-08 09:11:57
In the end, as a (really) long term goal I want every DRK weapon at 99, so yeah:P
It basicly uses the exact same sets Ragnarok would use anyways!
One day I'll have redemption 99 for sure!!
I'm a new drk - just leveled it for Nyzul Isle V2. But I always remember being impressed with the aftermath of the empy GS in abby when I saw a dark that had one, he was swinging for 1k each when it proced. So - (without much research) I started on empy GS for drk. My plan was to use Torcleaver to activate the aftermath, then use resolution while its up.
In Voidwatch today, I got a hoarfrost blade - people said its one of the top 3 GS in the game?? better than eph.
I'm nearly done collecting all items for eph GS (have not turned any in yet). Would you recommend I finish eph GS for the aftermath - or use those items on a different eph such as gun for wildfire, and only use hoarfrost on DRK? Is hoarforst with resolution really better than an eph with aftermath?
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