Dual Wield For DNC Lvl 20

maybe you really dont like the number 0..

ummm don't play with people who are bad wars?
i don't really know why that wasn't a choice?
got a gun to yer head to choose either 1 or the other?

well spoken, something i completely forgot about. for the longest time i though the tier1 songs from brds were a flat rate. Took me a while to realise they were based off skill. Even with /brd37 though the haste is still 3.5% (taken from wiki, take to heart at own risk) that gives dnc the ability to give 8.5% haste to a pt unmerited, 13.5% if fully merited (which you should be!) while a 3.5% increase isnt game breakingly "OMGWTF" people do pay millions for just a 1% haste increase. if a brd isnt available to merit, your not hurting anything with a dnc/brd for a pt. However, if you can get a brd/do have a brd, fuk it and dont /brd always.

did those wars use Daggers?

come on it could work..

^ this. find a better war.

UMMMMM /rdm would trump.

prob
probably a dual wield war using swords and no joyeuse. completely nekkid w/o using any job abilities. or maybe a war using HtH, yeah, that make sense then..

ya but how many whms out there looking for a excuse to mellee any excuse and to mystic boon also

hello to you convert !

i'm just wondering why you would choose war over another dd job anyway :P

mentioning sword what about useing oranics and the disector with all the bonus crit stuff added?

btw, im not stating that a dnc CANNOT DD. given the right circumstances a dnc can deal decent damage, but it is not a DD job on par with War/sam/drg/thf/mnk whose sole job is the dishing out of punishment.

If the stars were ever to align in just the right way where i as a dnc could go all out ballz to the wall and focuson nothing more than dealing damage, yes, i could prolly outdamage a crappy war or crappy drg. Dnc has the tools to do it, and after the update at 80 they will have even more tools to do so. Thats not saying i do that or that i should do that. Its the same with rdm nuking, yes a rdm can do it, with proper gear they can do it decently. But you wouldnt invite a rdm to nuke when you can invite a blm or sch to do it better. In the course you wouldnt invite a dnc to DD when you could invite a war/sam/drg/mnk/thf.

reading lil of the dnc queen thread and made point of dnc being able force crit hits and if it stacks with other things and general increase to criting ability and coserve tp with reverse

been reading over there as well some. being able to force frits and then with increased crit damage could make ws like Evicseration dominant over Dancing edge, especially when paired with crit merits and the Moogle add-on helm with +crit damage. The forced crit ability though requires the use of finishing moves and depending on what section of flourishes its placed it and how many it uses will greatly determine its usefulness.

If its placed in the same catagory as reverse flourish, forget it, a few hundreddamage on a ws isnt going to outweigh the +75 tp you can get.

All bst are going to make the switch from /nin to /dnc, the only reason bst had an absolute NEED for shadows was because they had no way to cure themselves when they ripped hate from their pets. Now, even if they do, there's Snarl to cover the bst who can then turn around and use reward on their pet.

Even on a bst style solo with constant pet swapping, /dnc will win out over /nin b/c /dnc will be able to gravity the mob as well as use reverse flourish to heal themselves after a stray hit while looking for a new pet to charm.

tl;dr DW was the only thing bst needed to make a complete switch from /nin to /dnc

Fencer. Unless you only use Rampage.

lol still doesn't disprove the fact that /dnc is the sub of choice for bst

Because a good war/sam wont usually get out parsed in a party? :P Honestly, WAR is a much better DD than a lot of people that just leveled it to sub think it is.

At lvl 80 any job, subbing /nin or /dnc
/nin
Job Abilities
Level Name
01 Mijin Gakure

40 Yonin

40 Innin

, oops nope
05 Stealth 10 Dual Wield 10 Resist Bind 15 Subtle Blow 25 Dual Wield II 30 Resist Bind II 30 Subtle Blow II
9 Tonko: Ichi (Invisible)

12 Utsusemi: Ichi (Shadow)

15 Katon: Ichi (Fire)

15 Hyoton: Ichi (Ice)

15 Huton: Ichi (Wind)

15 Doton: Ichi (Earth)

15 Raiton: Ichi (Lightning)

15 Suiton: Ichi (Water)

19 Kurayami: Ichi (Blind)

23 Hojo: Ichi (Slow)

25 Monomi: Ichi (Sneak)

27 Dokumori: Ichi (Poison)

30 Jubaku: Ichi (Paralyze)

Ni Ninjutsu
Level Spell
34 Tonko: Ni (Invisible)

37 Utsusemi: Ni (Shadow)

40 Katon: Ni (Fire)

40 Hyoton: Ni (Ice)

40 Huton: Ni (Wind)

40 Doton: Ni (Earth)

40 Raiton: Ni (Lightning)

I see, utsusemi the only thing used and dual wield

/DNC
05 Sambas 5 Drain Samba 25 Aspir Samba 35 Drain Samba II
15 Waltzes 15 Curing Waltz 25 Divine Waltz 30 Curing Waltz II 35 Healing Waltz
20 Steps 20 20 Quickstep Lowers target's evasion. 30 Box Step Lowers target's defense. Because as a dnc, you use these often
Flourishes 25 30 Desperate Flourish Weighs down a target. Also used
Jigs 40 Flourishes II
All usable in a pt
15 Evasion Bonus 20 Resist Slow 25 Subtle Blow 30 Accuracy Bonus +10…
And now dual wield

SO… How are 3 blinks worth more than acc bonus, def down, evade down, and gravity?and cure curga drain and all around party assistance

If DNC doesn't get as many tiers as soon as NIN does, NIN will win in terms of damage. You're spending TP that could be spent WSing, debuffing stuff. That's what DNC main is for.

forget dnc. Cor gets movement and fastcast rolls. That > everything else

This has me scared that people are going to level /DNC to 49 and say "I don't need /NIN, I have /DNC!"

Bad idea, folks.

I know people that would actually say that, even thou in merit partys people /nin for the blinks so the party can still plow thru mobs without needing as many cures...

hell i /nin and dont use dual wield i use it for the blinks

So will nin/dnc have a unreal amount dual wield trait?

It doesn't stack like that.

you can dual wield X2, you can now put melee weapons in the ranged weapon and ammo slots.

I mean the trait. Guess tier 1 or 2 won't over write nin's original tier 1 and 2.

this is like saying blm/rdm gets extra MAB since rdm gets it own...

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