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By Jetackuu 2016-10-26 15:19:06  
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By Grumpy Cat 2016-10-26 15:40:42  
Oh yeah I have building keys and ID badges I need to turn in, that is probably what my last day will be.
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By Jetackuu 2016-10-26 15:42:15  
You salaried?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-10-26 15:50:37  
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Oh yeah I have building keys and ID badges I need to turn in, that is probably what my last day will be.
Hug everyone long and tight to say goodbye, pretend to be holding down the tears as you stare at the key with nostalgia before you turn it in. Make them feel guilty!
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By Valefor.Rawry 2016-10-26 15:51:49  
Or flash your penis at them. It can be either.
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By Grumpy Cat 2016-10-26 16:38:56  
Well HR finally called me.

They want me to "resign in leiu of terminiation".

HR guy says that it won't DQ me from unemployment, but I have asked before and my rep with the Department of Labor says it will DQ me.

All he said was they determined my performance did not meet the expectations they had and he was not obligated to say anything else.

He alluded to (he took time to say he was not threatening) that if I choose to be terminated instead of resigning that they have the capacity to deny my unemployment anyway, and that if I resign they could consider letters of recommendation, however "if things are a mess and in disarray when I leave, then that is what should be expected if a future employer asks for a reference."

He said I have to decide by November 15th, so I am going to try and talk to our Union person, and the department of unemployment directly.

Pretty sure I will just take the termination, I have no problem telling an employer straight up that I was fired out of the blue with no previous indication of a problem or deficiency if they ask.
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By Bahamut.Nixak 2016-10-26 16:46:08  
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By Fenrir.Schutz 2016-10-26 17:01:18  
Grumpy Cat said: »
Well HR finally called me.

They want me to "resign in leiu of terminiation".

HR guy says that it won't DQ me from unemployment, but I have asked before and my rep with the Department of Labor says it will DQ me.

All he said was they determined my performance did not meet the expectations they had and he was not obligated to say anything else.

He alluded to (he took time to say he was not threatening) that if I choose to be terminated instead of resigning that they have the capacity to deny my unemployment anyway, and that if I resign they could consider letters of recommendation, however "if things are a mess and in disarray when I leave, then that is what should be expected if a future employer asks for a reference."

He said I have to decide by November 15th, so I am going to try and talk to our Union person, and the department of unemployment directly.

Pretty sure I will just take the termination, I have no problem telling an employer straight up that I was fired out of the blue with no previous indication of a problem or deficiency if they ask.

Yah, honestly you should still have access to performance reviews (assuming you had any to that point) to help substantiate your position, one way or another. :/ Any other official documentation (of administrative actions, write-ups, complaints, et al)--or lack thereof--would help justify things to a future employer (or a union rep if things are still actionable at this point in your current job.)
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By Grumpy Cat 2016-10-26 17:02:20  
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Grumpy Cat said: »
Well HR finally called me.

They want me to "resign in leiu of terminiation".

HR guy says that it won't DQ me from unemployment, but I have asked before and my rep with the Department of Labor says it will DQ me.

All he said was they determined my performance did not meet the expectations they had and he was not obligated to say anything else.

He alluded to (he took time to say he was not threatening) that if I choose to be terminated instead of resigning that they have the capacity to deny my unemployment anyway, and that if I resign they could consider letters of recommendation, however "if things are a mess and in disarray when I leave, then that is what should be expected if a future employer asks for a reference."

He said I have to decide by November 15th, so I am going to try and talk to our Union person, and the department of unemployment directly.

Pretty sure I will just take the termination, I have no problem telling an employer straight up that I was fired out of the blue with no previous indication of a problem or deficiency if they ask.

Yah, honestly you should still have access to performance reviews (assuming you had any to that point) to help substantiate your position, one way or another. :/ Any other official documentation (of administrative actions, write-ups, complaints, et al)--or lack thereof--would help justify things to a future employer (or a union rep if things are still actionable at this point in your current job.)

Because I am a provisional employee, they do not have to provide any of that material unfortunately.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-10-26 17:12:41  
Grumpy Cat said: »
HR guy says that it won't DQ me from unemployment, but I have asked before and my rep with the Department of Labor says it will DQ me.
It will disqualify you for benefits if you resign, not get fired.

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He alluded to (he took time to say he was not threatening) that if I choose to be terminated instead of resigning that they have the capacity to deny my unemployment anyway
They would have to show that you were terminated "with fault."

Which means they have to have a paper trail of discipline notices, either with your signature, but doesn't have to be, leading up the the firing. Usually showing at least 3 months of attempted correctional work, alluding to the release.

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and that if I resign they could consider letters of recommendation
As a person who hired people before, I can tell you that we don't really look into those.

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Union
You are dead to me!

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Because I am a provisional employee, they do not have to provide any of that material unfortunately.
Legally, they do. Don't let them dictate your unemployment benefits, but don't harp on it for long. At least try to get another job quickly so you don't have to rely on unemployment for long.

But yeah, cause you are Union, you go to the corner with Ramyrez, you are dead to me now son!
 
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-10-26 17:30:02  
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But yeah, cause you are Union, you go to the corner with Ramyrez, you are dead to me now son!

In Sweden something like 70% of people are in a union
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But yeah, cause you are Union, you go to the corner with Ramyrez, you are dead to me now son!

In Sweden something like 70% of people are in a union
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2016-10-26 17:34:35  
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Welp, ***' Steam Library +1, I guess. Only good thing is, Special Edition is separate from the current version of the game.

not touching it unless someone ports skyui which... prolly wont happen.
 
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By Bahamut.Rulerofdarkness 2016-10-26 17:44:49  
I noticed the Special Edition in my library as well. Just what exactly is so "special" about it?

Also, game is literally unplayable without SkyUI.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2016-10-26 17:52:55  
upgraded lighting system and 64bit enabled p much. more stable and slightly prettier if you didnt already run lighting mods
 
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By Jetackuu 2016-10-26 18:22:03  
Grumpy Cat said: »
Well HR finally called me.

They want me to "resign in leiu of terminiation".

HR guy says that it won't DQ me from unemployment, but I have asked before and my rep with the Department of Labor says it will DQ me.

All he said was they determined my performance did not meet the expectations they had and he was not obligated to say anything else.

He alluded to (he took time to say he was not threatening) that if I choose to be terminated instead of resigning that they have the capacity to deny my unemployment anyway, and that if I resign they could consider letters of recommendation, however "if things are a mess and in disarray when I leave, then that is what should be expected if a future employer asks for a reference."

He said I have to decide by November 15th, so I am going to try and talk to our Union person, and the department of unemployment directly.

Pretty sure I will just take the termination, I have no problem telling an employer straight up that I was fired out of the blue with no previous indication of a problem or deficiency if they ask.

Yeah, he's full of ***. May also want to talk to a lawyer, they may be violating the law. At the very least don't design, ***'em.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2016-10-26 18:24:53  
microsoft coming out with a cameraless windows VR headset for $299. getting closer to reasonable.
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By Grumpy Cat 2016-10-26 18:42:49  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
But yeah, cause you are Union, you go to the corner with Ramyrez, you are dead to me now son!

I actually didn't even know I was in a union tbh.
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By Grumpy Cat 2016-10-26 18:47:12  
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Yeah, he's full of ***. May also want to talk to a lawyer, they may be violating the law. At the very least don't design, ***'em.

I fully intend to be terminated at this point.

Unemployment Handbook says I shouldn't sign anything tomorrow either.

I worry that they will threaten to fire me for insubordination if I refuse to sign termination paperwork though.

While I KNOW this is a scare tactic... I also tend to be a big pussy >.>
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By Bismarck.Magnuss 2016-10-26 18:49:22  
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
But yeah, cause you are Union, you go to the corner with Ramyrez, you are dead to me now son!

I actually didn't even know I was in a union tbh.
Nothing wrong with unions. After all, without them we wouldn't have the 40 hour work week or paid lunches.
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Jetackuu said: »
Yeah, he's full of ***. May also want to talk to a lawyer, they may be violating the law. At the very least don't design, ***'em.

I fully intend to be terminated at this point.

Unemployment Handbook says I shouldn't sign anything tomorrow either.

I worry that they we threaten to fire me for insubordination if I refuse to sign termination paperwork though.

While I KNOW this is a scare tactic... I also tend to be a big pussy >.>

that's entrapment mate.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-10-26 18:55:21  
Yay got the new Alisaie minion from Wondrous Tails


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By Dio Branflakes 2016-10-26 19:03:32  
Candlejack said: »
Grumpy Cat said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Yeah, he's full of ***. May also want to talk to a lawyer, they may be violating the law. At the very least don't design, ***'em.

I fully intend to be terminated at this point.

Unemployment Handbook says I shouldn't sign anything tomorrow either.

I worry that they will threaten to fire me for insubordination if I refuse to sign termination paperwork though.

While I KNOW this is a scare tactic... I also tend to be a big pussy >.>
Mann up, lady! You are not trapped in there with them! They are trapped in there with YOU!

They thought I was trapped inside with them, but IT WAS ME
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By Bismarck.Magnuss 2016-10-26 19:04:21  
This same thing happened to me a few years ago when I was at the last school I taught at before the one I'm at now. They threatened to give me what is called an "improvement plan". Basically that was a step below "fired" and it would put a permanent pock mark on my career. I was terrified when I found out. Then I talked to my union rep who told me the same advice they're telling you. Don't sign anything. Let the union fight for you, and they will lawyer up for you if you need it. They don't anticipate that, they think it's just you and them. Prove to them that this isn't the case. Also, tell them that you feel your evaluator is erroneous and you want a new, unbiased evaluation. You're not without options.

Edit: Also, if they take you into any meeting, make sure you have a union rep with you. Don't face them alone.
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By Yatenkou 2016-10-26 19:27:25  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Bismarck.Dracondria said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
But yeah, cause you are Union, you go to the corner with Ramyrez, you are dead to me now son!

In Sweden something like 70% of people are in a union
Unions are necessary in this day and age, otherwise people wouldn't be able to make wages to live. Then again not all industries need unions, but there definitely needs to be unions in things like education, steelworkers, miners, and stuff like that
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