Anni Or Yoichi For Ranger?

That parse also means very little because it's a parse. We've had better ways of comparing two different weapons for a long time now.

Do you or your LS keep parses by chance? Preferably final Delve 2.0 boss only or DM(or single AA? I don't know how big of a group you run with).

I'm curious to see how many shots/WS you're getting off in a fight. I'll take your word that you're not pulling hate in the sense that it literally never even considers coming to smack you as opposed to "it started moving towards the back but didn't kill anyone.

I used to when I was using KParse but I've been using Scoreboard for a while so I don't have anything saved. I only make Delve on Tuesday and unfortunately this week it's going to be Yorcia so no RNGs. And yeah, the boss does not even move at all towards the RNGs the entire fight. Next time I get a chance I'll load KParse up and post the results.

Been extremely busy/out of town/events cancelled etc but finally have a few parses to post from tonight. Keep in mind I was dual boxing a RDM to Flurry II the 5 RNGs and debuff the NM. Glecent, Darktemplar, and Acexx have Yoichinoyumi and Korats and Otss have Annihilator.





Forgot to restart KParse for the last one.


On the last run I Chainspell Flurry II'd the RNGs and debuffed the NM so I wouldn't have to worry about it during the fight. We also Overkilled that one since it was the last run of the night so none of it wore off.

Pre update (i have no idea about anything post update)

Annihilator destroys yoichi.

Adding haste (or snapshot would only increase the gap)

For ranger alone the only weapon you'd want to make is Annihilator, period.

Anyone who argues anything else has no idea what they're talking about. or is biased

JR is a better weaponskill, but coro at 100% and the new LS 200%+ crushes anything bow brings to the table

dem's fightin words!

This make no sense to me, gun is better but saying JR is a better weaponskill but coro and ls crush it make no sense !

da fuq did i just read?

I was doing more damage with sidewinder than the other ranger was doing with JR. Haven't looked at his sets but that doesn't sound right. Mine isnt even good either.

I appreciate the stats and data posted but this is a personal decision. I chose yoichi because I prefer bows over guns and SAM can use it as well. I am more often than not outdamaged by anni rangers (no tears) but I enjoy the bow. However not paying attention to the hate line with either weapon results in a dead ranger.

Just for the record, I spammed nothing but Jishnu's Radiance in all of those parses and the NM never leaves the PLD. It's not that hard to keep hate on the tank. At least not on that NM.

My mistake 200% + last stand is stronger or as strong as JR from what i've seen. (which is the only time you'd use it in 95% of ranger is better than dd content)
as well as 3 hitting LS vs 4 hitting JR

and coronach crushes namas arrow.

For ranger and ranger alone, Annihilator is the only weapon you should make.


Edit:assuming 3 hitting anni and 4 hitting bow anyways. with the added bonus of static enmity.

Out of curiosity, isn't Refulgent with Tenzen Bow the way to go for RNGs in pure DD mode now?

I got Bow and Gun. Did bow first for SAM, would have gone gun first if only RNG.

You gonna pull hate and die with Refulgent.

This shows absolutely nothing other than that you play with terrible RNG.

Marjami is definitely the place where bow shines the most. Using my r15 path C cibi, I won parse against several good Anni rangers there a few days ago... that's the exception obviously and usually they beat me, but hate is definitely less of an issue in Marjami. That favors bow's raw damage. Still, you posted a pretty impressive parse. I'd bet something like DMII would show gun in a more favorable light.

Good God man. Get some new material.

Well, the main argument has always really been that Gun is superior to other options because if you're using RNG you assume hate is an issue. Coronach is superior compared to Namas so even with Jishnu being strong you should usually be ahead by a decent margin due to the need to balance hate.

But Glecent claims to be able to spam Jishnu's without pulling hate, which is something I personally have never been able to experience. I used to run non-relic bow in our VD DM(hadn't splurged on those 300k plutons for Annihilator yet) and I remember having to hold back significantly, both in over-TP, and other minor facts such as not being able to fully benefit from the Tacticians Roll we charged outside where as relic users were able to just WS after PLD flash tagged.

Point being, argument is obviously different when you don't consider hate. My RNGs still pull hate occasionally when they get a little too trigger happy with the non-relic WS in Delve(and let's not even start on TT in DM, we've totally just given up even caring on him), so Glecent's claim definitely intrigues me, but not much I can really do with that.

Why? He's right.

I love when people base things solely on the people they beat on parses. it's like when girls take pictures with other ugly/fat girls.

Are you cuter than your fat friends, certainly! Are you actually cute... not really, but you got those 2 beat lol.

Who's better the guy who uses no snapshot and an Anni. or the Guy who actually gives a ***and has proper sets for his Yoichi. Clearly the Yoichi.

The only way to really decide what's best is to get it your damn self, and USE the *** thing. Apples Vs Oranges never works. Some people are better than you can/will ever be regardless of what weapon they use. It's a fact of life. You can't base anything off that.

Id get relic bow ONLY if you love Sam :)

The way to see which is best is to spreadsheet it. Not get it yourself and "hope for the best" that's just stupid.

You have made it clearpreviously that your not a fan of spreadsheets and I don't know why. It's the most reliable way we have atm to predict outputs based on a set of parameters. If you prefer to rely on inaccurate scoreboard parses that's up to you. Scoreboard just shows you who's pulling their weight on a run not a weapons true potential.

Same for me, wich is also a reason I don't like bringing corsair, but apparently I'm very bad cause hate doesn't matter and cosair never pull hate neither.

Last time I did elvaan(D) I was spamming last stand, with skirmish+2 gun, and didnt pull hate havent tried it with jishnu though.

In a group with lots rngs, they can most likely spam jishus without pulling hate, because decoy shot.

But with 3rng, one using just jishus will pull hate after 7-8 mins if the mob still alive.

So when someone say again that he just spam jishus, ask: what was his fighting and for how long was the target alive.

It all really comes down to how you play. General in my ls gun rng win out except for 1 that uses relic bow that ranks up there with us. I did pug AAMR with relic rng that manage to only parse 15% while I did 70%. Other non relic bow rng only managed 10%. It all comes down to most ppl don't know how to play or gear rng and not which weapon they use. Relic bow is very competitive when used property. Snapshot got school when he finally played with good relic rng when he joined our ls.

We don't care about bad rng, for good rng gun is better; and if you ride barrage/double shot timer and fire as fast as possible, you will have to hold if you're using another ws than coro/namas.

True. Spamming JR will get you killed fast. Aftermath of Annihilator is reason enough to use a gun. Bow is pure fun/zerg material for rng unless you go soft and don't ride doubleshot

Maybe build what you love and want. Only then can you find true happiness. Or be like me and build em all!

Is he? Playing with the ranger spreadsheet and using sets posted here, I get Anni being beaten by Hangaku-No-Yumi, as well as Yoichi. Does it take getting to a 3-hit Anni with COR to beat bow?

I'm new to ranger, but Annihilator's strong suit seems to be utility and not balls-to-the-wall damage.