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St. Louis, Missouri Vs. The Police: Heaven or Hell, Duel 1! Let's rock!
By Voren 2014-09-15 06:42:58
Jet, the common phrase I've come to know and love is *** move up. It's absolutely true.
I need to go get myself on the news beating some paraplegic half to death so I can make Sgt >.>
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-15 11:54:37
Would that mean having 3 cops to tackle a 70-pound teenage girl to get her cell phone help you make lieutenant?
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-09-15 12:15:49
They could tell her to leave the school for a period of time, or forever, but they cannot legally seize her phone, period. I hope those officers lose their jobs. Even a 16 year old girl can be reasoned with, there is absolutely NO excuse for physically detaining a teenage girl for refusing to surrender her property upon request.
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-09-15 12:17:35
what if having power over others gives you a big hard-on?
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-09-15 12:21:27
what if having power over others gives you a big hard-on?
I'd say the only cure would be to put them in a position where power is "had" over them. Like a prison shower.
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By Leviathan.Xsoahc 2014-09-15 12:24:07
what if having power over others gives you a big hard-on?
I'd say the only cure would be to put them in a position where power is "had" over them. Like a prison shower. Gay rape, the cure for society.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-09-15 12:27:24
what if having power over others gives you a big hard-on?
I'd say the only cure would be to put them in a position where power is "had" over them. Like a prison shower. Gay rape, the cure for society.
Assaulting teenage girls is not a normal part of society. Besides, prison rape is not about sex, it's about dominance.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-15 12:35:01
what if having power over others gives you a big hard-on?
I'd say the only cure would be to put them in a position where power is "had" over them. Like a prison shower. Gay rape, the cure for society.
Assaulting teenage girls is not a normal part of society. Besides, prison rape is not about sex, it's about dominance.
Prison rape happens, but far, far less than society thinks;
Most of the sex in prison is consensual. And is about sex.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-09-15 12:39:58
what if having power over others gives you a big hard-on?
I'd say the only cure would be to put them in a position where power is "had" over them. Like a prison shower. Gay rape, the cure for society.
Assaulting teenage girls is not a normal part of society. Besides, prison rape is not about sex, it's about dominance.
Prison rape happens, but far, far less than society thinks;
Most of the sex in prison is consensual. And is about sex.
As much as 5% of inmates report being the victim of sexual assault on a yearly basis. That might not sound like a lot, but with the current prison population, that's about 120,000 a year that are reported. Completely off topic at this point, though.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-15 12:41:20
I did say "most".
Of the rape victims in this country we're giving consideration to, I'm not saying those being raped in prison should be cast aside, but let's focus on the innocent first.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-09-15 12:43:25
I did say "most".
Of the rape victims in this country we're giving consideration to, I'm not saying those being raped in prison should be cast aside, but let's focus on the innocent first.
That's the heart of the, admittedly, abstract quip I used. What kind of crime would someone have to commit to deserve that kind of treatment? Moreover, what kinds of punishments are we willing to impose?
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-15 12:48:01
I did say "most".
Of the rape victims in this country we're giving consideration to, I'm not saying those being raped in prison should be cast aside, but let's focus on the innocent first.
That's the heart of the, admittedly, abstract quip I used. What kind of crime would someone have to commit to deserve that kind of treatment? Moreover, what kinds of punishments are we willing to impose?
I'm a bad person to ask about this, especially today. My views on crime and punishment had lightened considerably over the past few months; in part thanks to discussions here.
But recent events on a national and local level have sort of got me regressing to my older feelings on the subject.
And I readily admit some of my ideas are a bit...draconian.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-09-15 12:50:16
I did say "most".
Of the rape victims in this country we're giving consideration to, I'm not saying those being raped in prison should be cast aside, but let's focus on the innocent first.
That's the heart of the, admittedly, abstract quip I used. What kind of crime would someone have to commit to deserve that kind of treatment? Moreover, what kinds of punishments are we willing to impose?
I'm a bad person to ask about this, especially today. My views on crime and punishment had lightened considerably over the past few months; in part thanks to discussions here.
But recent events on a national and local level have sort of got me regressing to my older feelings on the subject.
And I readily admit some of my ideas are a bit...draconian.
with the exception of a handful of crimes, I feel like just about anyone could find themselves on the wrong end of the law. I just try to approach the subject with that in mind. It's a dilemma to say the least.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-15 12:56:17
Quote: I feel like just about anyone could find themselves on the wrong end of the law
Like I said. I'm aware of the flaws in my ways of thinking.
Doesn't really make me feel any better about guilty parties getting off far too lightly.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-09-15 13:01:43
Quote: I feel like just about anyone could find themselves on the wrong end of the law
Like I said. I'm aware of the flaws in my ways of thinking.
Doesn't really make me feel any better about guilty parties getting off far too lightly.
And they do far too often.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-15 13:03:30
Quote: I feel like just about anyone could find themselves on the wrong end of the law
Like I said. I'm aware of the flaws in my ways of thinking.
Doesn't really make me feel any better about guilty parties getting off far too lightly.
And they do far too often.
People suck and I won't feel too bad when the universe inevitably torpedos us with a meteor and lets the lizard men have their chance.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-28 02:49:06
Quote: A Ferguson police officer was shot in the arm Saturday night after encountering two men at a community center who ran from him and then opened fire during a foot chase, authorities said.
St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar said at a media briefing early Sunday that the officer approached the men around 9:10 p.m. because the community center was closed. As the officer approached, the men ran away. When the officer gave chase, "one of the men turned and shot," Belmar said.
The officer was shot in the arm and is expected to survive, he said. Belmar did not identify the officer or give further details about his condition. He said the officer returned fire but said police have "no indication" that either suspect was shot.
A search was underway for the suspects early Sunday in Ferguson, the St. Louis suburb that's been the scene of racial unrest in the wake of the August shooting death of an unarmed black 18-year-old by a white police officer.
Belmar said he did not think the officer's shooting was related to two separate protests about Michael Brown's shooting that were going on Saturday night around the same time.
Around midnight at the police station, approximately two dozen officers stood near a group of about 100 protesters who mingled on a street corner, occasionally shouting, "No justice; no peace."
Nearby, part of a road was closed in town as police conducted a search for the suspects. Numerous law enforcement agencies were responding, and police helicopters were canvassing the area.
The officer's shooting comes after Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson issued a videotaped apology to Brown's family earlier in the week and attempted to march with protesters, an effort that led to a clash with activists and several arrests on Thursday.
Brown's parents told The Associated Press on Saturday they were unmoved by the apology.
Brown's mother, Lesley McSpadden, said, "yes," when asked if Jackson should be fired, and his father, Michael Brown Sr., said rather than an apology, they would like to see the officer who shot their son arrested.
A county grand jury is weighing whether to indict Ferguson officer Darren Wilson in Brown's shooting.
The Justice Department, which is investigating whether Brown's civil rights were violated, is conducting a broader probe into Ferguson police. On Friday, it urged Jackson to ban his officers from wearing bracelets supporting Wilson while on duty and from covering up their name plates with black tape.
Ferguson residents complained about the bracelets, which are black with "I am Darren Wilson" in white lettering, at a meeting with federal officials this week. Police: Ferguson officer shot; 2 suspects wanted
Apparently this was a thing for a bit.
Quote: Under pressure from the Justice Department, police officials in and around Ferguson, Mo., have agreed to prohibit their forces from wearing wristbands in support of the officer who shot and killed 18-year-old Michael Brown.
The Justice Department also directed Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson to order his officers to follow policy and wear nameplates on their uniforms after federal investigators and residents spotted some with the identifiers removed or covered up.
The ban on "I Am Darren Wilson" wristbands was confirmed Friday in a letter to Jackson from Christy Lopez, deputy chief of special litigation for the Civil Rights Division.
"These bracelets reinforce the very 'us versus them' mentality that many residents of Ferguson believe exists," she wrote. She noted that the St. Louis County police chief and the superintendent of the Missouri Highway Patrol had also agreed to prohibit their officers from wearing the wristbands while on duty in Ferguson.
Wilson has not been charged over the Aug. 9 killing of the unarmed teen. He claimed he fired after Brown attacked him. A state grand jury is looking at the evidence and the FBI is investigating whether Brown's civil rights were violated.
Lopez said the Justice Department was "keenly aware of the importance of individual expression of opinions, even those that some find offensive, insensitive or harmful" and that "the message that many officers intend to convey by wearing these bracelets may be different than the message received by many of those who see these bracelets."
"Nonetheless, there is no question that police departments can and should closely regulate officers' professional appearance and behavior, particularly where, as here, the expressive accessory itself is exacerbating an already tense atmosphere between law enforcement and residents in Ferguson." Police told not to wear 'I am Darren Wilson' bracelets
By Voren 2014-09-28 02:56:05
Police told not to wear i-am-darren-wilson-bracelets
I agree with this. There's a form of professionalism that needs to be maintained. They give up a certain amount of command presence when their uniform is not complete or has paraphernalia that's not issue and doesn't conform to uniform regulations, such as the bracelets. Not wearing name tags are chickenshit at best. The bracelet is a great way to place yourself at odds immediately when responding to a call.
Only those that fear having complaints brought against them will remove their name tags. And if you're afraid of being complained on you're both in the wrong line of work and doing some shadyassshit.
By Blazed1979 2014-09-28 04:55:28
I'm aware of police brutality and how its more common than many would like to think, but on this case, after hearing the details, I'm with the cops.
-he robbed a store 30 mins before the police saw him walking in the middle of the street. The description of the suspect matched.
-Police rolls down window to talk to him. Gets heated, officer tries to step out of car, suspect reaches through window and starts assaulting him.
-He flees, officers gives chase.
-When he catches up to him, suspect turns around and yells then charges officer.
-Gun shot wounds - majority are in suspect's right arm. If a trained police officer was trying to kill someone you would think they would at least unload into the abdomen or the head.
-the witnesses that came forward for the most part have been shown to have given false testimony.
-this teen was HUGE. He wasn't 5'8 110-150 lbs kid. He was over 6'3 if memory serves and close to 300 lbs.
Don't flame if you disagree, give me the updated details. I made my mind up about this case based on the coverage I watched on the mainstream media due to lack of timing. I could have been fed a load of ***, seeing as its from the mainstream media. So I'll gladly accept what I know to be wrong, but based on what I do know - the cop did nothing wrong.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-09-28 04:58:29
Yeah, black people are scary. They need to all submit to white people or die.
By Voren 2014-09-28 05:33:51
Gun shot wounds - majority are in suspect's right arm. If a trained police officer was trying to kill someone you would think they would at least unload into the abdomen or the head.
Adrenaline is proven to affect accuracy when using a firearm, especially one that's not shoulder mounted (such as a handgun). He may have been aiming at center mass, but got the arms.
There's no department that I'm aware of that trains to shoot in the head, it's always center mass as to limit missed rounds and collateral damage.
Also, if a trained police officer draws their firearm and fires a round, they're not shooting to maim/disarm/scare/warn they're shooting to stop a threat, in other words, to kill.
By Blazed1979 2014-09-28 07:00:04
Yeah, black people are scary. They need to all submit to white people or die.
I'm half Arab. Your comment and rhetoric is misplaced. My father and many of my cousins are black.
Nowhere did I make mention of his race or skin color. A 6 foot 3-5 inches 300 LBS anything can be seen by smaller people to be physically intimidating, especially if they're shouting and charging at you.
Good attempt at a straw man though, not.
By Blazed1979 2014-09-28 07:09:58
Gun shot wounds - majority are in suspect's right arm. If a trained police officer was trying to kill someone you would think they would at least unload into the abdomen or the head.
Adrenaline is proven to affect accuracy when using a firearm, especially one that's not shoulder mounted (such as a handgun). He may have been aiming at center mass, but got the arms.
There's no department that I'm aware of that trains to shoot in the head, it's always center mass as to limit missed rounds and collateral damage.
Also, if a trained police officer draws their firearm and fires a round, they're not shooting to maim/disarm/scare/warn they're shooting to stop a threat, in other words, to kill.
I'm fairly certain S.W.A.T are trained for head shots, as are counter terrorism units.
The other two points are assumptions - first that the officer's adrenaline levels were effecting their actions is speculative at best. More realistically I imagine they are trained to not panic under situations and exercise restraint in the situation as best as they can, as per their training.
Second, that discharging a firearm is purely to execute lethal force to kill isn't necessarily true. There's a lot of documented cases of police officers discharging their firearms to subdue and stop the threat.
This officer discharged 7 shots as far as I am aware, the first 5 ended up in the suspect's arm.
Also as far as I am aware there was no autopsy. Why not? I want to know if the suspect was on any adrenaline enhancing and mind chemically altering drugs such as PCP.
EDIT: On the testimonies of witnesses - forensics disproved 3 of them. They said the officer shot the suspect from the back, forensics showed the bullets points of entry were all from the front.
Is it entirely implausible that the officer was acting accordingly and had no other choice? I'm not letting my disgust and loathing of police brutality sway my judgement on this. I really want to see some evidence that the officer was out for blood.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-09-28 10:01:05
Nobody is trained for headshots.
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By Valefor.Blizz 2014-09-28 10:44:04
A thing also to remeber in Missouri state statue in refrence to deadly force.
It is autorized to use deadly force for a fleeing felon.
To go back on what has to be proven for this to apply even without prior knowledge of the strong armed robbery. But with the assult on the police officer and alleged reach for the law officers weapon being discharged in the struggle. So all actions up to the shotting is justified.
As for officers being trained for head shots. All police officers are "trained" to take incapcitating shots but no where near the needed level of skill needed to compisate the parasympathetic/sympathetic nerveous system to adjust. The USA military drills estimate aprox 30,000 rounds of the same action under stress before said action becomes muscle memory. In the police academy and during anual training a officer may expend 500-600 rounds a year. most police academys dont train for pure accuarcy either shooting center mass is there concept. Special weapons and training S.W.A.T try to specialize in incapacitiating shots center mass of the nose 2 inch by 6 inch for the projectile to drop a target in its tracks.
But in the academy and following continuios training the actions taught. In deployment of deadly force "You shoot untill the threat is eliminated" hence why you hardley ever here of just a few rounds being deployed and the count is always high. But officers are also taught the military style Double tap. 2 to the chest 1 to the head. if target does not stop after 2 shots to center mass and is still a threat atempt one shot to the head. could be due to subject on narcotics pure adrenolin bullet proof vest ect.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-09-28 10:46:29
I'm aware of police brutality and how its more common than many would like to think, but on this case, after hearing the details, I'm with the cops.
-he robbed a store 30 mins before the police saw him walking in the middle of the street. The description of the suspect matched. Has no bearing on why he was shot. He was walking in the street and told to move to the sidewalk. This incident did not start because of a robbery.
Quote: -Police rolls down window to talk to him. Gets heated, officer tries to step out of car, suspect reaches through window and starts assaulting him.
-He flees, officers gives chase.
-When he catches up to him, suspect turns around and yells then charges officer.
After the initial interaction we don't know what happened because
a) there is no incident report that explains what happened. Only one generated 10 days after the shooting that lists the date and names of who came to the site. But nothing which states what happened, no list of witnesses.
b) different witnesses say different things
c) something happened with Brown in the window but all the witnesses are saying different things.
Quote: -Gun shot wounds - majority are in suspect's right arm. If a trained police officer was trying to kill someone you would think they would at least unload into the abdomen or the head. Head shots are not really sought after since that is not as easy to hit on a moving object compared to the center mass. However, 2 out of at least 6 shots were in the head. One into the top of his head, the shot that was fatal according to one medical examiner.
Quote: -the witnesses that came forward for the most part have been shown to have given false testimony. You'll have to provide a reference for this as I don't know of everyone being shown to give out false testimony. There was a false report by a reporter claiming that the police had 12 witnesses corroborating their version of event.
In fact there was an audio recording of the shots handed over to the FBI.
Quote: -this teen was HUGE. He wasn't 5'8 110-150 lbs kid. He was over 6'3 if memory serves and close to 300 lbs. So? It seems most of the shots came at a distance because there was no gunpowder residue on his body. We don't know about clothes because that medical report has not been released.
Quote: Don't flame if you disagree, give me the updated details. I made my mind up about this case based on the coverage I watched on the mainstream media due to lack of timing. I could have been fed a load of ***, seeing as its from the mainstream media. So I'll gladly accept what I know to be wrong, but based on what I do know - the cop did nothing wrong. At this point to me the major problems are how the police reacted to peaceful protests, how they have mislead, outright lied, and acted like power crazed asshats after this shooting. There is a problem with that department. Whether this shooting turns out to be "justified" or not.
I posted this on the previous page. It is a good overview from 6 weeks ago along with citations, photos, and video. The humor might not be to your taste
By daoming 2014-09-28 11:44:02
Gun shot wounds - majority are in suspect's right arm. If a trained police officer was trying to kill someone you would think they would at least unload into the abdomen or the head.
Adrenaline is proven to affect accuracy when using a firearm, especially one that's not shoulder mounted (such as a handgun). He may have been aiming at center mass, but got the arms.
There's no department that I'm aware of that trains to shoot in the head, it's always center mass as to limit missed rounds and collateral damage.
Also, if a trained police officer draws their firearm and fires a round, they're not shooting to maim/disarm/scare/warn they're shooting to stop a threat, in other words, to kill.
I'm fairly certain S.W.A.T are trained for head shots, as are counter terrorism units.
The other two points are assumptions - first that the officer's adrenaline levels were effecting their actions is speculative at best. More realistically I imagine they are trained to not panic under situations and exercise restraint in the situation as best as they can, as per their training.
Second, that discharging a firearm is purely to execute lethal force to kill isn't necessarily true. There's a lot of documented cases of police officers discharging their firearms to subdue and stop the threat.
This officer discharged 7 shots as far as I am aware, the first 5 ended up in the suspect's arm.
Also as far as I am aware there was no autopsy. Why not? I want to know if the suspect was on any adrenaline enhancing and mind chemically altering drugs such as PCP.
EDIT: On the testimonies of witnesses - forensics disproved 3 of them. They said the officer shot the suspect from the back, forensics showed the bullets points of entry were all from the front.
Is it entirely implausible that the officer was acting accordingly and had no other choice? I'm not letting my disgust and loathing of police brutality sway my judgement on this. I really want to see some evidence that the officer was out for blood.
*Posts things on the forum hating the US*
*Claims he knows how the police force in the US is trained*
Logic. I asked my uncle who is a cop and uses a standard issue glock, they aren't trained for headshots, the suspect can't give any information if they just went out and busted a cap in the person's head.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-09-28 11:48:42
A thing also to remeber in Missouri state statue in refrence to deadly force.
It is autorized to use deadly force for a fleeing felon. According to who?
According the the US Supreme Court, only in certain circumstances.
Wikipedia said: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner
Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985)[1], was a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that under the Fourth Amendment, when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, he or she may use deadly force to prevent escape only if the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others. Also see Graham v. Connor.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-09-28 12:00:07
A thing also to remeber in Missouri state statue in refrence to deadly force.
It is autorized to use deadly force for a fleeing felon. According to who?
According the the US Supreme Court, only in certain circumstances.
Wikipedia said: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner
Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985)[1], was a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that under the Fourth Amendment, when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, he or she may use deadly force to prevent escape only if the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others. Also see Graham v. Connor.
This decision needs to be more clearly defined in police policies, actually. I spoke to a couple officers at a recent local public meeting (we've had some serious misconduct incidents and formed a public review board) and many were under the impression that they were allowed to use deadly force to stop a fleeing suspect even if they didn't pose a credible AND immediate threat. The conception seemed to be that if they had committed the crime of resisting arrest that they exhibited a propensity for violence and could pose a threat to someone in the future. They also said that they carry their pistol on their right hip and taser on their left because they felt that the pistol needed to be the most accessible means of stopping a suspect. The two I spoke to have very clean records and are, from what I can tell, very good officers, but it demonstrates a culture of deadly force even among the better officers.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-09-28 12:25:34
A thing also to remeber in Missouri state statue in refrence to deadly force.
It is autorized to use deadly force for a fleeing felon. According to who?
According the the US Supreme Court, only in certain circumstances.
Wikipedia said: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner
Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985)[1], was a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that under the Fourth Amendment, when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, he or she may use deadly force to prevent escape only if the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others. Also see Graham v. Connor.
This decision needs to be more clearly defined in police policies, actually. I spoke to a couple officers at a recent local public meeting (we've had some serious misconduct incidents and formed a public review board) and many were under the impression that they were allowed to use deadly force to stop a fleeing suspect even if they didn't pose a credible AND immediate threat. The conception seemed to be that if they had committed the crime of resisting arrest that they exhibited a propensity for violence and could pose a threat to someone in the future. They also said that they carry their pistol on their right hip and taser on their left because they felt that the pistol needed to be the most accessible means of stopping a suspect. The two I spoke to have very clean records and are, from what I can tell, very good officers, but it demonstrates a culture of deadly force even among the better officers. That's fairly scary.
Tasers aren't exactly without repercussions either (then again, that's pretty much true for all restraint mechanism/tactic), but that means their immediate fallback position is to lethal force.
Which, frankly, is improper for a police force.
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To recap the events going on:
It all started with this:
Quote: The fatal shooting of an unarmed black St. Louis teen Saturday has caused an outcry of anger toward the city’s police, with locals rallying in the streets and widening uproar on social media.
Eighteen-year-old Michael Brown was being placed in a police squad car, eyewitness Piaget Crenshaw told the St. Louis Dispatch, when he put his hands in the air and attempted to flee. Several shots hit him as he ran away.
St. Louis County police chief Jon Belmar said Sunday that Brown struggled for the officer’s gun in the patrol car and that one shot was fired from the officer’s gun during the tussle. The officer fired multiple shots at Brown as he fled, Belmar said.
Anger flared the rest of the day after Brown’s death, as protesters screamed obscenities mixed with threats to “kill the police,” and more than 60 area police officers responded to the scene. More shots were reported, though no one was injured. Public Outcry After Police Shooting of Black St. Louis Teenager
Then this happened:
Quote: An uneasy calm settled over Ferguson, Missouri, early Tuesday after a second night of violent clashes between law enforcement and residents protesting the police shooting of an unarmed black teenager, with another demonstration planned for mid-morning.
So far, more than 50 people have been arrested in protests following the death of Michael Brown, 18, in a largely black St. Louis suburb on Saturday after what police officials said was a struggle with a gun in a squad car.
The FBI has opened a civil rights investigation into the racially charged case, and St. Louis County is also investigating the shooting.
Police have not said why Brown was in the police car. At least one shot was fired during the struggle, and then the officer fired more shots before leaving the car, police said.
Chanting "hands up, don’t shoot," protesters overnight challenged police trying to seal off the neighborhood where Brown was shot, a low-income, high-crime area east of downtown Ferguson. Some protesters said they were outraged that Brown appeared to have been shot while holding his hands up in surrender, calling the shooting the latest in a long history of police harassment of area minorities.
"They brought this on themselves," said 25-year-old Adam Burcher of Ferguson, who stood outside the Ferguson Police Department on Monday night with a sign reading "Stop Killing."
Later on Tuesday, a protest is expected outside the St. Louis County prosecutor's office in Clayton, Missouri, and officials are also expected to identify the police officer involved in the shooting. Another protest set in Missouri after riots over teen's killing
Followed by this:
Quote: Violence again erupted in the St. Louis area near the site of the police shooting death of an unarmed black teenager, according to local police, despite calls by U.S. President Barack Obama and activists for a measured response.
Early on Wednesday, a police officer shot and critically wounded a man who drew a handgun near the site of protests over the death of 18-year-old Michael Brown, a St. Louis County Police Department officer said.
Police responded about an hour after midnight to reports of four or five men with shotguns and wearing ski masks. They encountered multiple suspects running, one of whom pulled a gun on an officer, who fired at him, the county officer said. The man was taken to an area hospital.
Shortly after midnight, police fired tear gas into protesters who had confronted a line of officers after a far larger crowd dispersed, St. Louis County Police Department spokesman Brian Schellman said.
A photograph in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch showed a protester wearing a shirt with an American flag printed on it throwing a tear gas container back at the police. There were other media reports of bottles thrown at police.
The incidents followed two nights of violent protests, looting and arrests in Ferguson, the largely black St. Louis suburb where the shooting of Brown took place. Violence erupts again after killing of black Missouri teen
And now to bring you up to date:
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The Ferguson and St. Louis County police departments, which led the initial response to civil unrest in Ferguson, are both equipped with military equipment donated by the Defense Dept. Ferguson has received two vehicles, a trailer and a generator and St. Louis County has received nine utility trucks and two cargo trailers since 2012.
The equipment was received under the 1033 program which was enacted by Congress in 1992, and expanded in 1997. The program allows police forces to request and receive refurbished military equipment free of charge from the Pentagon. Police departments need only pay for shipping. Ferguson and St. Louis County police received military equipment from Pentagon
Quote: President Barack Obama on Thursday said that police should respect protesters after four nights of racially charged demonstrations in Ferguson, Missouri, over the recent police killing of an unarmed black teenager.
"There is never an excuse for violence against police or for those who would use this tragedy as a cover for vandalism or looting," Obama said a televised remarks.
"There's also no excuse for police to use excessive force against peaceful protesters or to throw protesters in jail for lawfully exercising their first amendment rights," he said, speaking to the press from Edgartown, Massachusetts near where he is vacationing with his family.
After the shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown in the St. Louis suburb on Saturday, dozens of protesters have been arrested and the police have used riot gear, tear gas and rubber bullets to break up protests.
There have been peaceful vigils and demonstrations as well as episodes of looting and violence.
Governor Jay Nixon on Thursday also told community members at a church in the St. Louis area that "over the next few hours we are going to be making some shifts so that people will be ... safe." He did not specify what his steps would be made. Obama calls for police to respect protesters in Ferguson, Missouri
Don't forget this one too:
Quote: Two reporters covering the shooting of an unarmed black teen by a white police officer in a St. Louis suburb say they were arrested at a McDonald’s Wednesday evening in the commercial corridor where angry protests have occurred.
Wesley Lowery of The Washington Post and Ryan Reilly of The Huffington Post say they were working in the fast-food restaurant when SWAT officers came in to quickly clear the area. Both quickly tweeted about their arrests, detention and subsequent release without any charges.
Reilly tells KMOX News that officers were trying to clear out the restaurant.
“I was just packing up, and I evidently did not move quickly enough,” he says.
Reilly says an officer banged his head on the restaurant door and sarcastically apologized for it.
“None of them were wearing name badges, I don’t know why,” he says. “Over a dozen times I asked for an identity, I asked for a badge number, and all the officers standing around heard my request and ignored it.”
Reilly said he believes they were released so quickly because they were journalists. He realized during his interview with KMOX News that he was not read his Miranda Rights.
“I wasn’t even Mirandaized,” he says. “I did not even think about that until you just mentioned. I was never given…nothing…wow. I should really know that as a justice reporter. I sort of knew it by heart, but I was never given my rights, or anything like that was mentioned.”
Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson did not immediately return a cellphone message from The Associated Press seeking comment. 2 Reporters Arrested At Ferguson McDonald’s
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