Escha Sky T2 Strategies - Pallila & Yilan

why are you asking for strats if youre just going to refuse those offered?

I simply underestimated the NMs last night. We breezed through the Zitah NMs with 12 of us, so I assumed we wouldn't have trouble bringing a brd with 2 songs, and a cor in espial. Obviously they won't get in next week.

I have one question about a pet setup. We're probably going to have a pet party of BSTx3 SMN COR and GEO, what buffs would the GEO use with that setup? Also I'm assuming a PLD+WHM in the other party would be enough? (Our WHM is awesome btw, and the PLD ain't bad either.) I was using Puppet Roll for my dads SMN when he was going for MBs (like Holy Mist on Yilan), and the obvious BST/DRG rolls any other time.

Edit: And yeah Cyleena, the COR was a friend of the RDM, and he really wanted to bring him along as they're best buds. He wanted his rolls so he could self SC, and he was doing it OK at times, but it wasn't as reliable as a SCH or SAM.

Geo should use Geo languor for pet jobs, and probably Indi-torp.

This is going to be tough for me because we have at least 9-10 members who really want to do these, and I don't want to leave anyone out. Add in the fact we don't have a dedicated SCH (unless I ask around), and some of the setups posted above are simply not possible unless 1) I take 10-12 (or more) of us, or 2) I turn people away and then try to do a second run working around their jobs and asking others who already cleared to help get them clears.

I only do this event once a week on a Wednesday; and I only like to run it for a few hours each time, so repeated runs is not something I want to do, as I have other things to do with my time.

Those who posted solo, duo or trio strats are not helping the cause. Yes, I could just ask some epic SMN to solo it for us, but where's the fun in that?? There is none. Great for the SMN, but we want to beat this with the group of players we have, no matter how many we take. It's a ball ache we get penalized for bringing more people. It would be more so to have to rotate, especially for a T2 NM. Again, I know it was mostly down to the way I set it up, we would have killed both had I focused the alliance on the mages, or the pets specifically.

The LS had trouble with Vagary in the summer. It took us a while to learn the strats, practice them, lose horribly (with some wasted Plouton pops due to deaths), and other such things til we perfected it. Now we kill all the Vagary NMs without thinking about it, even if some of the regulars don't show up, I know exactly how to set it up, and what to tell them. It's only a matter of time til we nail it, and as Cyleena said, if they can take a full alliance of players to these NMs, then we can as well. I'll just have to show the weak links the door, or if we do, put them on a job which isn't so important.

I'm going to continue to take as many as we can. While it's not the most conventional way, I'm not a conventional leader. I like to do things differently, and if that means we have to endure more losses til we get it right, then so be it. We will grow stronger through making mistakes, as we have done since I made the LS. :)

Geo should use Geo languor for pet jobs, and probably Indi-torp.

Edit: For cor rolls would be puppets roll and companions roll I think.

Nice one thanks, I'm useless with knowing which GEO bubbles work in situations. And yeah, I've been mixing pet and mage jobs and have seen how difficult it is to coordinate SCs without the BSTS or SMN interfering. So it's one or the other going forward, and hopefully better results.

Hmm Puppet and Companion? Which pets would you suggest for the BSTs? I think they were using the lizard last night.

Smn should definitely use ifrit. Lizard should be ok since Yilan very weak to fire. Also, if cor has wildfire it works good on it too.

Yeah my Wildfire was great. I didn't want to interrupt the RDMs skillchain, but when he died I spammed it for decent damage. With BST pets it won't matter, I can just do their rolls, put rolls on myself (TP/MAB would be nice), then burn it alive.

im really curious why you are using languor and torpor. we have not had any acc issues using ifrit and puppet/beast malaise/frail

So more questions about the big bird.

1) Should I hand the pop items over to the PLD so we can just ignore the adds? Do the adds have wonky hate (like Vagary) or will they stay on the PLD as long as no one hits them?

2) How do we do a Earth MB with a pet setup? Or does it not matter if we take the aura down? Someone said we should take it down, while others say it doesn't matter as long as the DD are good enough.

Have the pld pop it. The adds will stay on the pld unless someone aga them I believe.Pets might do AOE that hits them though causing them to get on pets. Normally birds will not go for mages etc unless someone does an aga spell that hits them.

Not really sure about the Earth MB with pet setup. I do not play pet jobs besides rare smn, and we do not use pet jobs normally in our setups unless we use rare smn for Kirin V2, or for mewing on higher tier Reisenjima NM.

adds go after who popped. they will stay on who popped if you dont perform any actions on them.(this is really nice if you have 2 tanks)

just try buffing your SMN using astral conduit and spamming geocrush and come tell us how that worked.

just let him spam as many geocrushes as he can get off dont worry about skillchain during conduit

So I'm going to do some work now and leave this thread alone. Yes, we are gimp, inexperienced, and we were tired and lacking decent buffs. We could ask Avalon to come along and solo all the NMs for us, but he already helped us in the summer when we started doing Vagary, so we'll figure it out ourselves this time.

I appreciate all the feedback. I saw a video of a JP SCH soloing the big bird after 12 of us wiped to it (twice) last night, and it made my heart sink a little. This is just a minor roadblock on our path to the higher tier. I'll try not to take anymore than 8 players at a time, and if needs be, repeat tiers for those who missed out. After all, It's better to kill the NM with 8, then fail over and over with 12.

We will run again next Wednesday and focus solely on these two NM til they are dead. When we're done I'll let you guys know we suck a little less. This is easy to some of you, but to us this is new, fresh content, and whether we win or lose, we will enjoy it together. :)

So I'm going to do some work now and leave this thread alone. Yes, we are gimp, inexperienced, and we were tired and lacking decent buffs. We could ask Avalon to come along and solo all the NMs for us, but he already helped us in the summer when we started doing Vagary, so we'll figure it out ourselves this time.

I appreciate all the feedback. I saw a video of a JP SCH soloing the big bird after 12 of us wiped to it (twice) last night, and it made my heart sink a little. This is just a minor roadblock on our path to the higher tier. I'll try not to take anymore than 8 players at a time, and if needs be, repeat tiers for those who missed out. After all, It's better to kill the NM with 8, then fail over and over with 12.

We will run again next Wednesday and focus solely on these two NM til they are dead. When we're done I'll let you guys know we suck a little less. This is easy to some of you, but to us this is new, fresh content, and whether we win, or lose, we will enjoy it together. :)

I appreciate the feedback Omnys, but we don't have a dedicated BLU at the moment. Also I'm interested to know why you would kill the adds when they appear to respawn (almost) immediately? Or did you just keep killing them every time? Also Palila is sleepable? Crazy.