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By Viciouss 2017-04-03 21:22:28  
Yeah, notice how nothing has happened despite his Muslim ban not being in effect. Turns out, he was lying about them lining up to pour in here. We have taken in what, a couple thousand refugees that have been waiting 2+ years? So dangerous.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-04-03 23:26:00  
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The LA Times is REALLY down on Trump.

Erm, that's the way the LA Times has always been.

But using Chanti's style, here's an excerpt of an article from a Democrat at the NY Daily News:

If Dems block Neil Gorsuch, we all lose if GOP goes 'nuclear'

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Memo to my fellow Democrat — and fellow Brooklynite — Chuck Schumer: You picked the wrong hill to die on.

Schumer, of course, is the leader of the Democratic Party in the Senate (which, these days is kind of like being the head water quality inspector at the EPA branch office in Wheeling, W.Va. — the title sounds good, but it’s ostensibly meaningless when the President is literally burning your files and putting your desk on the sidewalk under a sign reading “Free stuff”).

And now he the Democrats have decided to filibuster the Supreme Court nomination of federal judge Neil Gorsuch, who, no matter what you think of him, is qualified to serve on the High Court.
I still can't understand this. Give in now so the GOP gets what they want, so they can use the nuclear option if it comes up again. Or force them to use it now, so they get what they want and can get what they want in the future. Same basic outcome, so why not force them to sink the filibuster right now.

There are multiple reasons why it's a stupid idea. It's one thing to stage an opposition protest to a Betsy DeVos type, where nobody can really blame you. It's an entirely different thing to stage a protest to the most agreeable judge Trump could possibly pick, with a nearly impeccable record to boot. It makes you look petty, and completely invalidates your objections to the Republican obstructionism of years past.

Another reason is that while the Senate can basically launch the nuclear option at any point, having it active serves as a protective veil against more extreme options. And let's use DeVos as an option again. If Reid hadn't changed the rules before, do you really believe that Republicans would have gone nuclear to get someone like her in? Absolutely not. She would have been blocked, and you'd have someone else in her spot right now. The same goes with the Supreme Court. With the filibuster gone, Trump can pick a party-line hyper-conservative to fill the next spot without even the pretense of caring about bipartisan support.
Why would libs in DC care about optics? They have their media stooges to spin it however they want.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-04-03 23:33:04  
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Funny how no Democrats have a problem with what Biden proposed, but they make extra sure to condemn Republicans for actually doing it.

Yep, funny how hypotheticals are different from the real world.

Yeah, kinda like how Trump's Muslim ban has never been proposed, but we have to make sure he can't enforce national security anyway.
The real lack of precedence comes from the 9th circuit just deciding the EO should be blocked because the judge secretly thinks Trump's a racist.

Trump should just enforce the law anyways.
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By fonewear 2017-04-04 09:00:11  
I tell you hwat one of these days the world is going to end...and I'll say it's about *** time !
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-04-04 09:12:05  
uh-oh!

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“The overheard conversations involved no illegal activity by anybody of the Trump associates, or anyone they were speaking with,” diGenova said. “In short, the only apparent illegal activity was the unmasking of the people in the calls.”

Anyone know that Obama left for Tahiti a few weeks ago? The official reason was to participate in a male retreat and work on his memoirs. Tahiti has no extradition treaty with the US. Me thinks he knew of the shitstorm that was coming.
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By fonewear 2017-04-04 09:15:49  
A male retreat in Tahiti...*shudders*
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By fonewear 2017-04-04 09:18:51  
Viciouss said: »
Yeah, notice how nothing has happened despite his Muslim ban not being in effect. Turns out, he was lying about them lining up to pour in here. We have taken in what, a couple thousand refugees that have been waiting 2+ years? So dangerous.
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By fonewear 2017-04-04 09:48:26  
Somewhere candlejack is smiling:


Trump will be impeached any second now !

https://www.yahoo.com/news/odds-grow-possible-trump-impeachment-110004479.html
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-04-04 10:18:49  
fonewear said: »
Somewhere candlejack is smiling:


Trump will be impeached any second now !

https://www.yahoo.com/news/odds-grow-possible-trump-impeachment-110004479.html

Isn't it just darling how much they get their hopes up?
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By Viciouss 2017-04-04 10:20:37  
Yeah too bad there is nothing illegal about unmasking people in the intelligence community. Meanwhile, Trump welcomed a murderer and tyrant who illegally took control of his country through military force into the WH yesterday. Sad!
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-04-04 10:36:37  
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Meanwhile, Trump welcomed a murderer and tyrant who illegally took control of his country through military force into the WH yesterday. Sad!

Golly gee, that's totally unprecedented.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-04-04 10:36:45  
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Yeah too bad there is nothing illegal about unmasking people in the intelligence community. Meanwhile, Trump welcomed a murderer and tyrant who illegally took control of his country through military force into the WH yesterday. Sad!
Great I can't wait for Trump to weaponize all the IC against democrats and the media in that case.
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By Viciouss 2017-04-04 10:43:09  
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Yeah too bad there is nothing illegal about unmasking people in the intelligence community. Meanwhile, Trump welcomed a murderer and tyrant who illegally took control of his country through military force into the WH yesterday. Sad!
Great I can't wait for Trump to weaponize all the IC against democrats and the media in that case.

Good thing he doesn't have that power.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-04-04 10:47:10  
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Yeah too bad there is nothing illegal about unmasking people in the intelligence community. Meanwhile, Trump welcomed a murderer and tyrant who illegally took control of his country through military force into the WH yesterday. Sad!
Great I can't wait for Trump to weaponize all the IC against democrats and the media in that case.

Good thing he doesn't have that power.

Just like obama, didn't right?

You're a good leftist soldier Vic. The relentless distraction from the truth is admirable. To bad it's like telling people "jet fuel can't melt steal beams".
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-04-04 10:53:04  
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Yeah too bad there is nothing illegal about unmasking people in the intelligence community.
Fourth Amendment says hi.
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By Viciouss 2017-04-04 10:54:36  
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Just like obama, didn't right?

You're a good leftist soldier Vic. The relentless distraction from the truth is admirable. To bad it's like telling people "jet fuel can't melt steal beams".

Sure sure, everyone knows you have never dealt in truths nausi.
 
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-04-04 10:58:42  
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Just like obama, didn't right?

Obama didn't have that power either, he could make a request to the NSA but they decide if they will comply or not.
Or he could have somebody in his administration could have made that request on his behalf.

So, you know, he could deny the whole thing.
 
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By Viciouss 2017-04-04 11:01:28  
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Yeah too bad there is nothing illegal about unmasking people in the intelligence community.
Fourth Amendment says hi.

Oh yes, the old "4th amendment" argument that died so long ago. You are gonna need way more than that. Unmasking people is not illegal. Leaking their names to the public is illegal, and since that hasn't happened, there is no crime by the IC.
I am wondering tho, what was team trump doing that landed them on the radar of the IC? Who were they talking to? What were they talking about?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-04-04 11:06:05  
Pretty soon libs will insist that the information leaked from this action had no political value, and even if it did it happened without Obamas knowledge.

The house is collapsing. I'm trying to warn you guys, time to abandon ship.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2017-04-04 11:06:37  
unmasking is a big deal

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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
time to abandon ship

what ship? The USSAlreadySailedToTahiti?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-04-04 11:13:17  
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I am wondering tho, what was team trump doing that landed them on the radar of the IC?

Running for President.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-04-04 11:19:34  
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I am wondering tho, what was team trump doing that landed them on the radar of the IC?

Running for President.
Triggering of the previous administration is a serious thought crime.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-04-04 11:32:36  
Vic, Russia/trump collusion is the cover story to the unlawful partisan interference in our electoral process by the democrat party and its members at the highest officers in our government.

Not the other way around. Again it's time to abandon ship.
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By fonewear 2017-04-04 11:33:04  
Shiva.Nikolce said: »
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time to abandon ship

what ship? The USSAlreadySailedToTahiti?

I'm assuming good ship lollipop !
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By Viciouss 2017-04-04 11:36:58  
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Vic, Russia/trump collusion is the cover story to the unlawful partisan interference in our electoral process by the democrat party and its members at the highest officers in our government.

Not the other way around. Again it's time to abandon ship.

The funny thing is you really believe this.
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