Who Plays For FFXI For Fun Anyway?

I'm not trying to be a ***, or even to say I'm any different. Hell, I spent god knows how much time not just playing FF11 (during which time it was srs bzns), but then went and helped make a site that snoops the game's auction house as a side project.

The point is, a little self-examination before opening one's mouth would go a long way in these games. As annoyed and furious you might be about X player not having spent the 5000 requisite hours to outfit themselves exactly like you've chosen to, there are about 6,823,800,000 other people in the world who would look at how we spend our time and say we're the stupid ones.

Have fun, and judge not lest ye be judged.

I 2nd that! Nice to see people being positive on here instead of flaming which is pretty much what I was expecting. =)

The majority of "elitists" don't expect perfection from other people or anything close - we just want a co-ordinated effort which allows you to perform your role well.

As said previously, if you're not doing any kind of group activity with me then I won't care - your "fun" is not impacting my "fun". I'm certainly not going to open my mouth and start nitpicking people's gear if they're standing at the AH or whatever.

However, if you're doing a group activity with me and your gear is diabolical then ... well, we won't be doing that group activity :p again, not talking about perfection here. People can twist this sentence but the majority here know what I mean by substandard.

You do have a second group of people though and stereotypically these often belong in the big HNM shells - the type who look down on people without x,y and z HNM gear. The majority of these people aren't great players themselves.

It doesn't take an overwhelming time investment to be good or at the very least decent by my standards, yet people seem to think that to become decent-good by my standards you must have no life etc. Play smarter, not harder.

The majority of "elitists" don't expect perfection from other people or anything close - we just want a co-ordinated effort which allows you to perform your role well.

As said previously, if you're not doing any kind of group activity with me then I won't care - your "fun" is not impacting my "fun". I'm certainly not going to open my mouth and start nitpicking people's gear if they're standing at the AH or whatever.

However, if you're doing a group activity with me and your gear is diabolical then ... well, we won't be doing that group activity :p again, not talking about perfection here. People can twist this sentence but the majority here know what I mean by substandard.

You do have a second group of people though and stereotypically these often belong in the big HNM shells - the type who look down on people without x,y and z HNM gear. The majority of these people aren't great players themselves.

It doesn't take an overwhelming time investment to be good or at the very least decent by my standards, yet people seem to think that to become decent-good by my standards you must have no life etc. Play smarter, not harder.

Also incoming YE OLDE screenshot, nostalgia goggles on:

This is what I looked like at 64DRK (first job). I spent a good amount of time and effort ensuring that I wouldn't be substandard or dragging anybody's exp down. I was in full time education at the time, didn't skip class to play XI and generally still had a life.



Chiv Chain was macro'd in when actually fighting something. Those are Woodsmans. I'm most definitely not pimp there but I wouldn't have any problem with anyone geared like that or a slightly weaker version than that. This is all the effort we ask for. At level 60 , if you have enough time to farm for (often useless) AF, you have enough time to make money to support your job and support the people you play with!

Your avatar is all the distraction you need.

Yes, there probably is another thread that basically says the same thing I'm trying to say but I'm too lazy to look for it. I was just curious to see who actually plays this game for fun anymore? I mean I do... But what about the unhappy, grumpy *** that have nothing better to do but make fun of people for how they are geared, or how they play their job, etc...

I'm pretty sure that this isn't something new to most of us but it seems to me that some people don't really enjoy playing anymore, and only spend time ragging on others or just ***talking other people for stupid reasons and making them feel "inferior". Inferior on a video game, where none of our virtual possessions/accomplishments mean *** out side of our little world of Vanadiel.

I'm not posting this to cry about anything, although most probably will look at it that way. I suppose I've just been oblivious to how often it goes on this whole time. Only recently have I started paying more attention to it. I had a friend possibly leave the game because of this attitude and maybe he just didn't care anymore and was looking for an excuse to quit but what led up to his decision to leave is the ***talking.

Some people have thicker skin and can take that kind of stuff. The whole thing reminds me of high school, middle school even, when people would poke fun at the lesser fortunate students that didn't have the nicest clothes, shoes, toys and other material possessions. The bottom line is...

Would it kill everyone to just be a little less um... a little less of a *** towards one another? Is it that hard? I'm not the innocent one here and I'll be the first one to admit that I have poked fun at someone occasionally for the same reasons. I understand to most of the veteran players that it gets to be a little frustrating at times when people aren't as prepared/equipped as you would like them to be. But if you are truly a Veteran then you should know good and damn well that you might want to ask people a few questions if its something that is going to be a problem for you.

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Ultimately, if we like it or not, this game changes people. I have seen nice people (including myself) turned into absolute *** by this game. Myself personally, when I started playing this game 5 years ago, I was a very happy person, nice to everyone I came across, even if they were cruel to me. (See my picture in the real life pictures thread, you'll get the idea why) I was honestly tormented, but I stuck with it, and I was fine overall.

I started playing this.. and slowly, but surely, most of my hope in people was stripped away, layer by layer. I became mean, and cruel to nearly everybody I didn't know, mostly because my expectations were lowered by idiots and *** to the point where I just stopped caring about being nice to people. Occasionally, that nice person in me will come back, but it is most certainly not in game on the majority.

To be frank, and honest, this game effectively killed me. I am a different person now, I don't like it one bit. As such, thanks people of FFXI, for being absolute ***. Now go on, prove my point, I know this will get trolled to all hell and back, rated down, etc etc.

However, for the sake of ending on a good note, I have met very very few people who couldn't be nicer, and honestly care about others. Sadly, most of these people have long quit, or are classed as "gimps" because they put others above themselves in the long run, and haven't thought about themselves and nobody else. To these people, where ever you are, thank you for not doing the above, and helping me hang onto that shred of hope I have in people, and also for giving me a reason for playing all these years. Deny it or admit it, this game is about the people, and that is what makes the game fun. Playing alone, even if the game was changed to be a solo game for whatever reason would be no fun.

/rantoff