UNNACEPTABLE!

who gives a ***that you spend 50mp total to sneak and invis one damn person?

seriously, do you people just like to *** and *** about "This *** is making me spend MP WHICH CAN BE RECOVERED IN 2 MINUTES instead of spending thousands of gil on items WHICH IS HARDER TO MAKE IN THIS GAME"

just sneak and invis their *** and get on with your life already. bitching about it will get you nowhere. If the person is rich and buys them, then let him. if someone is poor and wants to get to the camp safely, it's your job as a WHM to sneak and invis him.

you're missing the point. if you're doing a mission, and the leader of the group says to have certain meds while you are in whitegate, you either get them or leave the group right then if that's a problem.

this dude A. ignored the group leader(flion) who told him ahead of time to get meds B. waited until halfway through the mission to reveal that he'd ignored him. that's a big "*** you" any way you slice it. if you respond to a "*** you" like that by being that guy's personal doormat and snk/invising him, you're gonna lose the respect of the other people in the group.

If you can't trust that guy to buy snk/invis tools when you ask him to, there's no way in hell you can trust him to follow a strategy that you outline once you make it to the battlefield. cut your losses and kick him then and there, he'll be even more trouble in the long run.

I'm on a healer job 99% of the time (the 1% I'm busy bashing my face against a wall as a DD job someplace).

As a WHM, your job description does not come with the Doormat tag, your job is to buff and heal *in battle*. If they died because I refused to sneak and invis them, then it's their own silly fault for not being prepared.
Asking a WHM to babysit you with sneak and invis is akin to being on NIN and making your party pay for your shihei you use.
If they can't afford sneak and invis items, then they should be farming, not running to exp, and if their armor suffers because they needed to buy snk and invis? Then that there is even more reason that they should farm.

You say that 'Scapegoating the healer' is how things go? I think not. That's just lazy players looking for someone to push their shortcomings onto. You don't turn up to a party naked, and ask your party members to clothe you, give you weapons and food. You show up to exp and events prepared, ready and at your full potential. If people want to slack off, they should do it solo, and not waste others' time because they didn't feel like getting off their ***.

There's a huge difference between tossing a snk/invis for the top floor of mamools where there's no point popping a powder (Though most DD I've come across will do so anyway as to not be a burden), and babysitting someone through a high aggro zone because they're too damn lazy.

Quick edit:
Linking this from the front page, pretty much sums up things >< haha
http://www.ffxiah.com/screenshots.php?id=43553

If the leader says to get the items because they are going into a dangerous zone, listen to them, get the items or *** off and farm to get the gil to get the items.


They aren't expensive.


Hell, i've bought a stack of each for someone just because they didn't have any and were poor, they paid me back in time, but ... S/I items > Magic always.

Israfel-- by "Scapegoating the healer" i meant blaming the healer when it's clearly not the healer's fault. I know there's a limit to what i can do as a healer but others who haven't ever actually touched a healer's job think otherwise. I mean 50MP is seriously nothing once you get sneak and invisible.

I know you don't want to babysit these DDs but that's part of the hastle of being a healer. There will be that one person who wants to save gil and ask the mage for sneak and invisible. People just need some babysitting, that's part of the day's work as a WHM. Throwing a cure here, hasting there, throwing a Raise III on the DRK that decided to get shitload of agro mid-battle, we're just babysitting these silly DDs.

and Sevourn -- Reading the first post, i didn't see him mention anything about telling others to get meds. Also, him making a huge deal about it does make him an elitist, especially if he's barking out orders to other people to do what he wants. Let the *** learn from his mistakes, and blacklist him. Don't come in here bawing because someone didn't listen to you.

Fyyvoa - not everyone has 50mil like you do =P

I tend to stay away from helping ppl if they don't understand the basics of having there own s/i, even /dnc.


them "Let's do RANK 5?!?"
me "Do you have a way to s/i?"
them "no"
me "i'm busy"


Taught my wife the game and it came in handing even in qufim lvls.

Rule #1 S/I always on you.

Just makes sense.

Not 1337, imagine if your whole pt didn't have?

Some mobs magic aggro though, and if you dont have the items you're *** D:

Raising, curing, hasting, -na spells yes! that's part of our job.


Dragging their sorry *** through a high aggro zone which can be a pain in the *** to get one person through, let alone 2 people on 1 person sneaking and invising is not doing our job. It's bailing out some *** who thinks he doesn't have to pull his weight.
If money is sooo tight that he cannot afford to keep a stack or oils and powders on him, then he should be farming.
People do not need babysitting. It's that kind of mentality that makes me dread pickups because I know there's 70% of the time some fool who thinks that kind of behaviour will slide. I will not expect my hand to be held by anyone, and they should not expect it from me either.

Quick edit: Stack of oils and powders can usually be obtained for about 15k~ for the pair on my server.

Stack of moat carp sells for 5k on sandy AH, takes minutes to fish up, 3 stacks of moat carp is 15k.
If that's too much work then this is the wrong game for them to be playing.

Climbing that mountain using magic should be something every SMN knowns IMO

Astral burns have spoiled them! They need to kite bombs for 10-15 minutes each until they explode!

I wish -_-


They aren't really expensive though really, maybe ... 10-15k at the most for a stack of both?

I normally roll on about 100k at most lol, far from 50m

With skill, you can avoid magic agro =X i've learned that from time, trial, and error lol

Israfel --
and that 70% is the NIN/WAR who think they can tank.

It was on the first page. if you read the first post of a multipage thread and immediately spout off an uninformed opinion, there's a good chance you're not going to have a clear picture of the whole situation

i agree that there wasn't any particular need for him to make a thread about it, but hey, that's what the regulars do, post about whatever random crap happens to them, ingame or out. i'm not one to judge there

as far as the barking out orders goes, please get back to me on how to lead a COP group after you've led one from start to finish in 2010, when 90% of the people who haven't gotten COP yet are braindead.

as it stands, you've apparently made it all the way to below the arks, so i'm sure you're full to bursting with knowledge on how well you can lead a COP group without giving orders

100k is still rich to some people who try to sell stuff but other jerks undercut them and ends up selling a 50k item for 10k

/happened to me before

bah quote died on me lol

@Kalyna- That is true, Although if you have bad luck like my Nyzul Isle group and you don't have tools and you have to avoid gears..and have horrible aggro..XD you're S.O.L pretty fast because you're in a corner stuck haha

Please tell me you didn't just say that NIN/WAR isn't a tank...

Israfel ~ Don't mind Kal, he's a bit speshul 8D

i hate agro =(
i also hate undead agro in desert...that almost ALWAYS spawn right next to me while i'm fighting a goblin...and right when they spawn i get a "random" lag spike" and by the time teh lag spike goes away and i'm finally on the other side of the OP, the damn undead is standing right there, smacking me.
S-E has it in for me i swear!

Sevourn (URGH quotes are half broke)-
I only read the first post and his attitude and honestly, i could care less about barking orders (because 99% of FFXI bark orders and are elitists), i'm just making fun of him based on the fact that he bitched about something so stupid to a forum

ARRRGHH

Israfel - You can use nin/war as a tank but many and many people like spence who think they can tank as a nin/war suck at it. (i have seen some damn good nin/wars but they're very rare)

Stop taking the fun threads off main page!!! >=(

And nice try Kal :P

they took it off the main page?

*** hell that ***is annoying

voke more, silly fake nin/war

Don't hate me cuz I'm Canadian and better than you!

yeah I'm getting that vibe, the more he talks the more I feel my IQ slipping away...

like the NIN/WAR line? dude I swear my face went>>

but hey! Let's get schooled on the workings of FFXI by someone that's probably played for about 5months and still can't grasp basic game mechanics.

yer not a reel canadian! you don't say "eh?"!
=( what i meant was most nin/war suck. there are good ones out there but it's rare.

lol wtf. i wouldnt have sneaked / invis this person either.

A) when youre leader youre usually busy, ppl spam you and ask about strategy, you have to talk in /p and /t and still take notice of where you walk – and of course sneak invis yourself
B) it can be a lot of downtime and REALLY annoying if either snk + invis keeps wearing on you and / or the leech you have to take care of. you just recasted your own ***and his will wear 2 secs later. look for a save spot to cast and blah~
C) in a place where stuff aggroes magic its even MORE annoying

so... if it was a friend of mine, i’d tell him he / she’s a dork for forgetting but i’d do it. if i told 2x in advance i’d rather tell the person to buy from someone in the group / warp back and buy from AH or wish them gl not aggroing w/o any s/i tools. if person moans about either, just kick. i’m not patient with stubborn leeches at all.

You should have S/I him once then laughed when hes like "s/i is about to drop" and walk away.

QFT

So... you acknowledge the fact that Canadians are better than you (specifically Kal!) though?

You're better at being a better whiner than me, i admit that =P