SCH Update: Getting Riped Off ???

Maybe Asura is different but I VERY rarely meet another SCH who changes ANY gear ever, for any situation. Sadly, most people totally suck at playing the job and they're too dumb to make gear change macros. It's no wonder there are so many ignorant people who think SCH's nuking power is "laughable" in comparison to BLM.

In case no one else said it. BS

oh man i have so many damn gear sets for 75 sch its not even funny... 1 healing set 1 resting mp set 1 nuking set 1 sublimation set (very large set there..but won't need it come next update)

and Dasva: when I did dyna on sch i would match or beat blm's with AM2 with my sch.. Ebullience is like cheating..seriously lol

I've beaten a blms T4 with my rdms T3. Doesn't make it better.

As far as how good ebullience yeah it's awesome. But yuou know what else is awesom? Having a base MAB that is 18-22 higher.

Seroiusly I challenge any sch to go out solo and do a dmg that will be higher than my blm solo on same mob. And unlike a certain fraidy cat actually prove you are solo and not receiving external buffs

I beat Das's T4 on his BLM when he was using Astral Lantern, lol. Only by 1 damage, but still!

so if a spell does more dmg than another person's and its NOT better...what defines "better"? LOL

He's making a comparison. A well geared BLMs t3 beating a crappy BLMs T4 doesn't make T3 a better spell.

shoot, i've seen sch's go toe to toe with well geared blms...then again i've also seen an automaton do the same... lol

This was back at LV75 so...Not really uptodate, but still.



Dasva insists this is mathematically impossible, and he's most likely right, I can't figure out what happened either, but regardless, it's a BLM with near-perfect gear against a SCH with crappy gear.



Doesn't really need an explanation. This and the one above it were both pre-Novio.

Notice no day weather applicable buffs outside of food and still only 76 so same base int.

Should be able to hit over 2k with day. I'll try again then maybe even pull out the spirit lantern

How many *** times are you going to pull out the same screen shots Jesus Christ rofl.

*shrugs* who was it who said SCH needs to use Ebullience to match BLM damage?

SCH75/RDM37 in this screenshot, taken a couple months ago. As you can see it's not Iceday and could have done better had I chosen to use Thunder.

Food: Cream puff. Ebullience was used.

Gear:
Aquilo's Staff
Bugard Strap +1
Phantom Tathlum
Selenian Cap (4INT + 2 MAB)
Uggalepih Pendant
Moldavite Earring
Novio Earring
Royal Redingote (5% Fast Cast + 4 MAB)
Goliard Cuffs
Snow Ring
Tamas Ring
Gleeman's Cape
Hyorin Obi
Tatsumaki Sitagoromo (4 MAB + 4 MACC)
Yigit Crackows

I'd like to see a BLM do a Blizzard IV for that much without a Spirit Lantern/Iceday/Magic Crit/Outside help. Of course, with new additions like Stone V, Teal set and Hecate's Cape I could easily take a better screen shot nowadays. Not that I'm trying to argue SCH is better perse but just to show some ignorant people here that Ebullience will do more than just match a BLM.

Edit: I'd like to point out that Dasva most certainly either used Burn, Vidohunir or got a magic crit or some combination of the three (in fact probably all three) for his epeen screenshot there, and on a thunder nuke where mine was ice.

/shrug just give me a few game days to make a dmg you will probably never be able to match solo on the same spell

A few days huh? That's kind of a long time but I suppose it's reasonable considering that's impossible under circumstances that don't require you to go WAY out of your way to do it. Show me that with no Burn, no Vidohunir, no magic crit, no INT potions, no Spirit Lanterns, no day effect, no outside help. Strictly normal circumstances because that is what I've given you.

I look forward to seeing you produce this impossible screenshot. How do I know it's impossible? Because I can't produce it with my own BLM. That's the difference between us Dasva, I have both jobs and you don't. And having established that my BLM is better than yours, you're just wasting your time going out of your way to show me what I already know to be possible or impossible.

That is a {Burn}+1 right there... Too hot in this kitchen.

I find it funny that people are still comparing sch against blm. Sch can not do the utlimate hard nukes BLM do these. Schs are desgined to be decent at nuking and healing. You want to be a nuker lvl blm want to be a full on healer lvl whm the jobs are specialists in their own areas for a reason.

Its clear schs can do decent nukes no one is denying this but they will never be superior to a blm or whm on an individual lvl because they dont have or will have the high tier nukes or healing spells blms or whms have jobs have.

Also to note the gear listed above is very decent and not all players will have this gear so its exceptional you have alot of it and naturally because of "the gear" nukes will hit harder. If a blm has the same gear nuking freeze II then your bliz 4 will look meh. Ive seen a blm do 2400+ on a pudding ever seen a sch do that??

no because they are NOT designed to do that kind of dmg period.

scholar is a damn good job with great abilities which makes it versatile in parties/alliances but in my opinion you can never say it is better than blm or whm because it just isn't.

Posting anon is the kewl thing to do these days~

I said game days. Which isn't that long however rl days would get me even more dmg

Yeah I've seen SCH do 2400+ on a pudding, 'cause I've done it myself now with Stone V. AM2 is still better yes but the gap is closing. Of course Freeze II will make Blizzard IV look silly, but for twice the MP cost. I'm not arguing that BLM can't nuke harder in general, I'm arguing that a BLM can't match that damage with a T4 under the same circumstances and that a SCH will in fact exceed BLM's damage on the same nuke with Ebullience, not just match it.

Regarding my gear, yes it's true that not all SCHs possess that kind of equipment but if you look at my BLM gear it's just as good or better, yet even I can't produce that number with Blizzard IV on BLM without special circumstances.

Regardless, it's not possible without using the above tricks I mentioned unless maybe you have a Magian staff and even then I'd call it a stretch (bare in mind my screenshot is outdated - before level 80, before Hecate's Cape, before Magian Staffs, before Teal set) but have fun, remember I want full proof that you didn't use any of the above tricks.

I said nothing about me not boosting my own dmg using my jobs abilities and gear and spells etc.

I said doing dmg you will never match on sch with the same spell. I'd even go so far as to say never even come close to matching. Assuming my connection doesn't drop yet again

So then what are you trying to prove, exactly? I've already acknowledged that it's possible if you go very far out of your way and use a bunch of ***that you would never use normally. Do you just love wasting time?

sch and blm both get T5s (yes obviously no AM2 or AM for sch..but T4 with Ebull beat/match AM2, so lets go ahead and just compare T5's, k?)...I'm gonna assume sch will get Thunder 5 before 99, but nobody is sure yet..And have you ever seen a sch/whm hit divine seal + rapture + obi buff with weather + cure iv? ***is fierce lol....

One of the things I find amusing about SCH's arguements about being "as good as blm" or "as good as whm", is that they always have their +10% potency from weather, +20% damage from Ebullience or +50% potency from Rapture.


Nezea, I'm not sure what exactly that screenshot was supposed to "prove". With a 30% damage boost, SCH's can nuke alongside some decently geared BLM?

Now, as for your "challenge" to Dasva, why would you disallow the use of Burn if you're free to use everything you have to up your damage (which is more much effective than burn)? Just seems a little one-sided; even though I have no doubt Dasva will find some way to get pretty numbers,

What about your consistency? BLM can maintain high numbers without even partial resists. Given Puddings aren't the best to test this on, since you need god awful stats to resist much if at all, but I'm interested in seeing consistent numbers at high level mobs.

Besides, those T4s still don't match AM2, which being only available to BLMs gives them situational advantages and higher maximum numbers. This argument gets old, I'd expect them to pull BLM ahead in sheer damage with the upcoming levels anyway.

It wasn't supposed to prove anything but rather it was meant to disprove your earlier statement that a SCH using Ebullience only matches a BLM when in fact it exceeds it, by quite a lot.

Regarding Burn, there is a big difference between it and weather/stratagems. If I'm nuking I am going to always be using weather and basically always using stratagems. How often do you bother using Burn on a pudding? Never, unless you're deliberately trying to make an epeen screenshot.

I still love this T4 beat match AM2 when I just did more with a T4 than yours.

As far as weather do you always nuke ice? Then no you don't always have that extra 7 int or if you do you don't have weather bonus

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@Hitetsu well because those stratagems (rapture and ebull) are what make the sch the sch... ok..lets just go ahead and compare a job with no native MAB traits and like a billion less skill than a blm in nukes...one sided much? lol (i know the different between B+ and A+ isn't THAT much but as we level the gap gets bigger for one, and two blm gets access to much better skill+ gear in some slots (i'm looking at you AF+1 blm hands) ) inb4 sch AF coat (which i know is like the best item sch gets lol its pretty insane for high lvl mobs)

and I love how BLM's always make their personal experience mean everything in their evidence of why BLM nukes better, or just achieving better damage on one nuke means they "out nuke". PUP has both BLM and SCH beat as far as e-peen nukes go, last I checked.

It's not a matter of out damaging nuke by nuke; a SCH just has tons of endurance. With Convert, Sublimation, Dark Arts and Parsimony it's not even a contest; SCH is going to get out much, much more nukes then a BLM, and thanks to increased skill from the level raise it also means less resists.

But, regardless, just because I think SCH is better at BLM at one thing doesn't mean I think it suddenly replaces BLM. That's stupid to think, especially since there's 200+ BLM's on any given time. I don't see why BLMs like to get worked up over this. Is it that hard to look at things logically instead of personally? I honestly don't even think it's that big of a gap (at least one that's pointless to argue over); level 80 BLM/RDM is still amazing. I just dislike how badly SCH is underestimated. They're both very good jobs at everything they do.

Just because another job does something slightly better than yours doesn't make your job inferior.