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Abyssea - Casual or hardcore ?
By sergei 2010-07-27 04:38:19
Having Pchan and Samuraiking in the same thread is like..A drunk James brown being interviewed by the teacher from Charlie Brown.
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By Gilgamesh.Samuraiking 2010-07-27 04:45:53
sergei said: Having Pchan and Samuraiking in the same thread is like..A drunk James brown being interviewed by the teacher from Charlie Brown.
You have a Kimbo avatar....
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2010-07-27 04:55:42
sergei said: Having Pchan and Samuraiking in the same thread is like..A drunk James brown being interviewed by the teacher from Charlie Brown.
It's official now.
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By Sylph.Kimble 2010-07-27 04:59:03
while Samuraiking enjoys to troll threads sometimes, at least hes generally knowledgeable about FFXI.
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2010-07-27 05:35:56
Sylph.Kimble said: while Samuraiking enjoys to troll threads sometimes, at least hes generally knowledgeable about FFXI.
I am still waiting for a screenshot of the jobs in your casual abyssea exp. I want to see more cor or drg than whm or rdm, please.
inbefore : youmad and most of the jobs rank top 10.
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By Carbuncle.Zanno 2010-07-27 05:46:47
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Asura.Masekase said: Quote: For the breakdown of players’ main jobs, we used the results from the survey for the question “What is your favorite main job?” and the data from the game regarding which main jobs players had actually set their characters to.
I see you missed this off the top of the census too.
So really that census proves nothing at all.
You take a picture of the distribution of the game jobs at a given time. Some people do endgame, some people farm, some people do exp, some people farm zeni. Some do campaign. Some do missions. This picture is not giving you a picture of which job is the most usefull for a given activity, it gives you a picture of which jobs are the most and the least usefull globally. I don't bring double marches when I'm doing campaign, I am not farming on monk, I don't do nyzlulz on BLM. Simple. Statistical. Evidence. If you don't agree with this, fine, post a picture of the jobs distribution in your "alice's wonderlands adventure" abyssea exp ***. Count the CORs. Then come back to me. Count the DRGs, then come back to me. Do eet.
100 telebots cross all servers at any given point for example.
so we agree that bard isnt really needed, but you can say the same for any job. WHM isnt needed either, you can put a rdm in its place, or a sch, or even a job/whm.
And you have no idea how many ppl were on jobs they hated at the moment they took this "picture of the game". Hell 50% of those whm might have been in some sort of event and been like "***, why do I always have to come whm"
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2010-07-27 05:52:21
2009 isn't really recent either. A lot of people have leveled up new jobs since then.
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By Sylph.Lotusbluete 2010-07-27 05:55:48
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Sylph.Kimble said: while Samuraiking enjoys to troll threads sometimes, at least hes generally knowledgeable about FFXI.
I am still waiting for a screenshot of the jobs in your casual abyssea exp. I want to see more cor or drg than whm or rdm, please.
inbefore : youmad and most of the jobs rank top 10.
there ya go:
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2010-07-27 05:56:37
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Sylph.Kimble said: while Samuraiking enjoys to troll threads sometimes, at least hes generally knowledgeable about FFXI.
I am still waiting for a screenshot of the jobs in your casual abyssea exp. I want to see more cor or drg than whm or rdm, please.
inbefore inb4: youmad and most of the jobs rank top 10.
at least lern2internet while being a ***.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2010-07-27 05:58:33
Sylph.Lotusbluete said: Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Sylph.Kimble said: while Samuraiking enjoys to troll threads sometimes, at least hes generally knowledgeable about FFXI.
I am still waiting for a screenshot of the jobs in your casual abyssea exp. I want to see more cor or drg than whm or rdm, please.
inbefore : youmad and most of the jobs rank top 10.
there ya go:
Epic screenshot
The game. You have won it.
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By Ifrit.Vextra 2010-07-27 05:58:41
Odin.Zicdeh said: sergei said: Having Pchan and Samuraiking in the same thread is like..A drunk James brown being interviewed by the teacher from Charlie Brown.
It's official now.
thats awesome
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By Carbuncle.Zanno 2010-07-27 06:04:24
Sylph.Lotusbluete said: <Epic screenshot> hehe thats win.
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By Sylph.Lotusbluete 2010-07-27 06:10:10
I like him so much, i drew him a picture ♥
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By Ifrit.Vextra 2010-07-27 06:20:43
Sylph.Lotusbluete said: I like him so much, i drew him a picture ♥
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not so awesome...
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By Sylph.Lotusbluete 2010-07-27 06:23:21
Ifrit.Vextra said: Sylph.Lotusbluete said: I like him so much, i drew him a picture ♥
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not so awesome... not meant to be awesome, its a fact :3
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By Ifrit.Vextra 2010-07-27 06:24:46
oh well okay then ^^
By sergei 2010-07-27 10:53:58
Page 20 > The last 19 pages.
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By Siren.Kuz 2010-07-27 11:00:56
OK I stepped away from this thread for about 10 pages or so...
BUT...
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Asura.Masekase said:
Last but not least PUP and COR two of the most expensive jobs in the game. Only people who really lvl these are people who have a reliable gil source.
Thanks for listing us the reasons why these jobs suck more than others. Problem with jobs added with expansions is that they offer nothing more, and often offer something worse, than pre-existing jobs.
Excuse me...
did you just say COR offers nothing more, or even something WORSE then the original pre-existing jobs?
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2010-07-27 11:13:25
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: It is in-game data, aka a statistical representation of what jobs FFXI players prefer after taking into consideration fun to play and usefullness. You can't deny this list. COR is last because it's a ***job.
"Fun to play" and "usefulness" being not subjective, and easily quantifiable, right?
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-07-27 11:23:36
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Asura.Masekase said: Quote: For the breakdown of players’ main jobs, we used the results from the survey for the question “What is your favorite main job?” and the data from the game regarding which main jobs players had actually set their characters to.
I see you missed this off the top of the census too.
So really that census proves nothing at all.
You take a picture of the distribution of the game jobs at a given time. Some people do endgame, some people farm, some people do exp, some people farm zeni. Some do campaign. Some do missions. This picture is not giving you a picture of which job is the most usefull for a given activity, it gives you a picture of which jobs are the most and the least usefull globally. I don't bring double marches when I'm doing campaign, I am not farming on monk, I don't do nyzlulz on BLM. Simple. Statistical. Evidence. If you don't agree with this, fine, post a picture of the jobs distribution in your "alice's wonderlands adventure" abyssea exp ***. Count the CORs. Then come back to me. Count the DRGs, then come back to me. Do eet.
so using your list as evidence, BLM is the best sub for WHM then.
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By Sylph.Kimble 2010-07-27 11:24:43
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Sylph.Kimble said: while Samuraiking enjoys to troll threads sometimes, at least hes generally knowledgeable about FFXI.
I'm still stupid and sadly, I'm still french.
I feel for you buddy. I really do.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-07-27 11:28:07
Seeing as Pimpchan keeps ignoring this statement I'll say once again:
USING THAT LIST AS EVIDENCE PROVES THAT BLM IS THE BEST SUB FOR WHM.
IS THIS TRUE?
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By Sylph.Kimble 2010-07-27 11:28:50
Shiva.Flionheart said: Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Asura.Masekase said: Quote: For the breakdown of players’ main jobs, we used the results from the survey for the question “What is your favorite main job?” and the data from the game regarding which main jobs players had actually set their characters to.
I see you missed this off the top of the census too.
So really that census proves nothing at all.
You take a picture of the distribution of the game jobs at a given time. Some people do endgame, some people farm, some people do exp, some people farm zeni. Some do campaign. Some do missions. This picture is not giving you a picture of which job is the most usefull for a given activity, it gives you a picture of which jobs are the most and the least usefull globally. I don't bring double marches when I'm doing campaign, I am not farming on monk, I don't do nyzlulz on BLM. Simple. Statistical. Evidence. If you don't agree with this, fine, post a picture of the jobs distribution in your "alice's wonderlands adventure" abyssea exp ***. Count the CORs. Then come back to me. Count the DRGs, then come back to me. Do eet.
so using your list as evidence, BLM is the best sub for WHM then.
This is the thing about Mr. Pchan you will learn. When ever he makes a stupid claim, and you retort said stupid claim using his own evidence that he made to make his claim, he will just ignore it.
In-fact, anytime you make a good counter argument, he just ignores it.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-07-27 11:32:32
inb4 more MP?
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By Bahamut.Paulus 2010-07-27 12:10:55
PUP really needs the nerf bat taken to it. I was very surprised to see out of our magical damage our in Einherjar our BLM's averaged about 16k and Serinade (Streak's Automaton) did just under 44k on Kparser.
I've seen other ***like a pup Soloing the last bit of ToAU 44 after an unfortunate mishap with hate that caused a wipe. One can get up to chain 5 alone while soloing VTs /sch. The reason it's so fail is that it's so powerful and unbalanced compared to the other classes.
The overload rate should be slightly increased and the the loophole where returning to your mog house should be closed. The reactivate timer should have another 2.5 to 5 minutes added.
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By Titan.Darkwizardzin 2010-07-27 12:22:16
20 pages of pimpchan saying his opinons and everyone else trying (in vain) to tell him he is wrong.....
When are people just gonna give up and stop posting? Its clear pimpchan is never going to change his opinon no matter what everyone says to contradict it. The flaming and posting in general has become meaningless at this point of the thread.
In short everyone please just let this thread die....
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By Siren.Kuz 2010-07-27 12:25:54
Titan.Darkwizardzin said: 20 pages of pimpchan saying his opinons and everyone else trying (in vain) to tell him he is wrong.....
When are people just gonna give up and stop posting? Its clear pimpchan is never going to change his opinon no matter what everyone says to contradict it. The flaming and posting in general has become meaningless at this point of the thread.
In short everyone please just let this thread die....
but then... what will we do at work?
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By Titan.Darkwizardzin 2010-07-27 12:28:23
Siren.Kuz said: Titan.Darkwizardzin said: 20 pages of pimpchan saying his opinons and everyone else trying (in vain) to tell him he is wrong..... When are people just gonna give up and stop posting? Its clear pimpchan is never going to change his opinon no matter what everyone says to contradict it. The flaming and posting in general has become meaningless at this point of the thread. In short everyone please just let this thread die.... but then... what will we do at work? lol ffXIah doesn't exist just to host this thread. Just find another one.
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By Sylph.Lotusbluete 2010-07-27 13:50:54
Titan.Darkwizardzin said: Siren.Kuz said: Titan.Darkwizardzin said: 20 pages of pimpchan saying his opinons and everyone else trying (in vain) to tell him he is wrong..... When are people just gonna give up and stop posting? Its clear pimpchan is never going to change his opinon no matter what everyone says to contradict it. The flaming and posting in general has become meaningless at this point of the thread. In short everyone please just let this thread die.... but then... what will we do at work? lol ffXIah doesn't exist just to host this thread. Just find another one. this one is fun tho, and it kept me awake 9 hrs at work :3
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By Cerberus.Delsus 2010-07-28 06:06:51
Titan.Darkwizardzin said: 20 pages of pimpchan repeating the same things over and over again and not proving a thing because he knows nothing and will not answer any questions that disprove his theroies and everyone else trying (in vain) to tell him he is wrong.....
Fixed.
The last time i saw somone as nooby as PC was when i was helping a lvl 1 new person out in sandy.
After reading a lot of posts on different websites like ffxiah, alla, BG on abyssea, a lot of people consider abyssea the event "that everyone was waiting", especially "casual" players, whatever that means.
* I have seen reports of 5 hours exp parties in abyssea being awesome - how is that casual ?
* I checked the requirement for Verethragna, the empyrean H2H :
It requires 50 "Two-leaf Chloris Bud" ; this drops from "Chloris", an abyssea NM with unknown drop rate, not 100%. Requirements for popping Chloris are 4 key items :
*Veinous Hecteyes Eyelid => requires killing "Olphanim" not 100%
*Torn Bat Wing => requires killing "Treble Noctules" not 100%
*Gory Scorpion Claw => requires killing "Hedeteted" not 100%
*Mossy Adamantoise Shell => requires killing "Chukwa" not 100%
olphanim requires 3 "rare" items : "Bloodshot Hecteye" "Shriveled Wing" and a "Shriveled Pincer" - which themselves drop from either normal mobs or NMs that requires another item to pop. Hedetet and treble noctules work the same. Chukwa doesn't require pop (key) items.
Poping just *one* Chloris seems like more of a headache than poping a tier4 ZNM or the tier4 VNM, and you need 50 of its drop (hopefully 100% drop rate), making the difficulty to get the item much longer than getting a pandemonium warden drop.
How is this casual ? Did SE really manage to make us pay 10$ for a retardly time consuming event. It's not like Chloris is the only NM looked after, as there is one equivalent for each weapon it seems, and there a lot of other NMs dropping gear.
Did we really get an event 10x more cock blocking than Salvage ? Doing NMs in abyssea is not exactly the same as normal exp, you will quickly consume your time and be only able to enter once every few days alla dynamis/limbus.
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