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Rajas Vs Sattva?
Leviathan.Tamian
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By Leviathan.Tamian 2010-07-21 12:30:11
For a career PLD which one is more convenient? I don't plan to level many DD jobs, I have SAM79 and will end DRG but that's it. I don't do dynamis, but just started doing Limbus, Sky and soon nyzul climbs using both SAM and PLD.
I keep hearing that Rajas also works good on PLD but I am not sure... the enmity, vit and agi from the sattva looks better to me.
Thanks for the help.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-07-21 12:32:07
Quetzalcoatl.Rumaha
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By Quetzalcoatl.Rumaha 2010-07-21 12:35:55
The only place for Sattva was being a 2nd action ring with Hercules, now there is a new 4 ENM ring, other rings out class the HP+ by a lot, rings match/surpass the Agi and Vit+, the only real use I can see for it is a Rampart macro.
Tl;Dr, Rajas.
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Midgardsormr.Soki
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By Midgardsormr.Soki 2010-07-21 12:45:09
what makes rajas any good for pld?
i see 2.5 acc and 2.5 att
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Fenrir.Mankey
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By Fenrir.Mankey 2010-07-21 12:45:20
Rajas, Satva is a macro piece just like Tamas. You can not replace Rajas... Rajas also works as a good option to TP on PLD, Rajas/Toread Rajas/Blitz are generally decent if sushi is being used
Fenrir.Mankey
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By Fenrir.Mankey 2010-07-21 12:46:05
Midgardsormr.Soki said: what makes rajas any good for pld? What makes Satva good for PLD when you can macro rings? :)
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Midgardsormr.Soki
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By Midgardsormr.Soki 2010-07-21 12:46:54
Fenrir.Mankey said: Midgardsormr.Soki said: what makes rajas any good for pld? What makes Satva good for PLD when you can macro rings? :)
when did plds ever need more str over emnity and vit/def?
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Carbuncle.Sevourn
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-07-21 12:48:52
Midgardsormr.Soki said: Fenrir.Mankey said: Midgardsormr.Soki said: what makes rajas any good for pld? What makes Satva good for PLD when you can macro rings? :)
when did plds ever need more str over emnity and vit/def?
2004 called it wants its player back
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2010-07-21 12:49:03
It's for the Store TP, saves a hit to 100% TP.
Carbuncle.Sevourn
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-07-21 12:49:23
Midgardsormr.Soki said: what makes rajas any good for pld?
i see 2.5 acc and 2.5 att
yeah man that hit off atonement really sucks
edit: stop being faster than me, other people :(
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Cerberus.Scruffumz
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By Cerberus.Scruffumz 2010-07-21 12:49:35
Midgardsormr.Soki said: Fenrir.Mankey said: Midgardsormr.Soki said: what makes rajas any good for pld? What makes Satva good for PLD when you can macro rings? :)
when did plds ever need more str over emnity and vit/def?
I don't play Paladin, but I think most Paladins are always /nin. And I remember being told, you don't need a lot of VIT and DEF when you have shadows up. Maybe when shadows are down, you might.
Bismarck.Altar
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By Bismarck.Altar 2010-07-21 12:50:03
Store TP. Get Rajas
Edit: Man people jumped all over this one.
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Fenrir.Mankey
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By Fenrir.Mankey 2010-07-21 12:53:44
If you don't have shadows idle in PDT rings.. Satva is a good cure ring? Rajas is just irreplaceable get one, atonement and make proper macros for Cure cheat/TP/all that good PLD shtuffs
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-07-21 12:53:56
Cerberus.Scruffumz said: Midgardsormr.Soki said: Fenrir.Mankey said: Midgardsormr.Soki said: what makes rajas any good for pld? What makes Satva good for PLD when you can macro rings? :)
when did plds ever need more str over emnity and vit/def?
I don't play Paladin, but I think most Paladins are always /nin. And I remember being told, you don't need a lot of VIT and DEF when you have shadows up. Maybe when shadows are down, you might. VIT and defense are about the most useless stats in the game, even for Paladin. Sattva's sole good use is a combination HP/enmity piece for your cure cheat. Rajas lets you Atonement faster (more enmity/time) and is irreplaceable for any melee job.
Midgardsormr.Soki
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By Midgardsormr.Soki 2010-07-21 12:54:42
Cerberus.Scruffumz said: Midgardsormr.Soki said: Fenrir.Mankey said: Midgardsormr.Soki said: what makes rajas any good for pld? What makes Satva good for PLD when you can macro rings? :)
when did plds ever need more str over emnity and vit/def?
I don't play Paladin, but I think most Paladins are always /nin. And I remember being told, you don't need a lot of VIT and DEF when you have shadows up. Maybe when shadows are down, you might.
HP+15~30 VIT+2~5 AGI+2~5 Enmity+3 = pld ring.
dont listen to all these rajas= god. its not a tank ring, the 30 hps alone makes it better
the 5% store tp on a rajas with a sword will not proc any tp.
tank with JA and not damage, or go all damage and call yourself a DD pld
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Midgardsormr.Soki
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By Midgardsormr.Soki 2010-07-21 12:55:43
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Cerberus.Scruffumz said: Midgardsormr.Soki said: Fenrir.Mankey said: Midgardsormr.Soki said: what makes rajas any good for pld? What makes Satva good for PLD when you can macro rings? :)
when did plds ever need more str over emnity and vit/def?
I don't play Paladin, but I think most Paladins are always /nin. And I remember being told, you don't need a lot of VIT and DEF when you have shadows up. Maybe when shadows are down, you might. VIT and defense are about the most useless stats in the game, even for Paladin.
this is why pld is main tank choices for hate and tank until people start having shadows and get a nin tank casue they lose hate too fast
Fenrir.Mankey
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By Fenrir.Mankey 2010-07-21 12:55:58
Is my TP set on PLD, could use Cuch mantle but not willing to buy it just for PLD and BLU :(
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-07-21 12:56:11
Midgardsormr.Soki said: Cerberus.Scruffumz said: Midgardsormr.Soki said: Fenrir.Mankey said: Midgardsormr.Soki said: what makes rajas any good for pld? What makes Satva good for PLD when you can macro rings? :)
when did plds ever need more str over emnity and vit/def?
I don't play Paladin, but I think most Paladins are always /nin. And I remember being told, you don't need a lot of VIT and DEF when you have shadows up. Maybe when shadows are down, you might.
HP+15~30 VIT+2~5 AGI+2~5 Enmity+3 = pld ring.
dont listen to all these rajas= god. its not a tank ring, the 30 hps alone makes it better
the 5% store tp on a rajas with a sword will not proc any tp.
tank with JA and not damage, or go all damage and call yourself a DD pld trolololololololo
http://kanican.livejournal.com/31338.html
Do the math on 750 damage in full enmity gear and get back to me.
Carbuncle.Sevourn
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-07-21 12:56:34
Midgardsormr.Soki said: Cerberus.Scruffumz said: Midgardsormr.Soki said: Fenrir.Mankey said: Midgardsormr.Soki said: what makes rajas any good for pld? What makes Satva good for PLD when you can macro rings? :)
when did plds ever need more str over emnity and vit/def?
I don't play Paladin, but I think most Paladins are always /nin. And I remember being told, you don't need a lot of VIT and DEF when you have shadows up. Maybe when shadows are down, you might.
HP+15~30 VIT+2~5 AGI+2~5 Enmity+3 = pld ring.
dont listen to all these rajas= god. its not a tank ring, the 30 hps alone makes it better
the 5% store tp on a rajas with a sword will not proc any tp.
tank with JA and not damage, or go all damage and call yourself a DD pld
i'd say you were a troll if you weren't on ancient vows post update :(
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-07-21 12:57:10
Midgardsormr.Soki said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Cerberus.Scruffumz said: Midgardsormr.Soki said: Fenrir.Mankey said: Midgardsormr.Soki said: what makes rajas any good for pld? What makes Satva good for PLD when you can macro rings? :)
when did plds ever need more str over emnity and vit/def?
I don't play Paladin, but I think most Paladins are always /nin. And I remember being told, you don't need a lot of VIT and DEF when you have shadows up. Maybe when shadows are down, you might. VIT and defense are about the most useless stats in the game, even for Paladin.
this is why pld is main tank choices for hate and tank until people start having shadows and get a nin tank casue they lose hate too fast What? PLD is not my primary choice of tank and NIN tanking is dead. BLU MNK SAM DRK go
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Midgardsormr.Soki
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By Midgardsormr.Soki 2010-07-21 12:57:47
Fenrir.Mankey said: Is my TP set on PLD, could use Cuch mantle but not willing to buy it just for PLD and BLU :(
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Ramuh.Zidan
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By Ramuh.Zidan 2010-07-21 12:58:07
If you have atonement, yes Rajas is good, if you don't its not really worth it for PLD but would be good for your sam and/or your drg.
With that being said, it is totally up to you on what you prefer. Rajas is situational, as is sattva, both have their uses.
As far as what I think, I would honestly choose sattva while rajas is nice for atonement I personally prefer acc rings.
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By Alexander.Ultrarichard 2010-07-21 12:59:15
There are only two rings from Chains of Promathia
Rajas ring
Rings that should of been Rajas ring
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-07-21 12:59:55
Ramuh.Zidan said: If you have atonement, yes Rajas is good, if you don't its not really worth it for PLD but would be good for your sam and/or your drg.
With that being said, it is totally up to you on what you prefer. Rajas is situational, as is sattva, both have their uses.
As far as what I think, I would honestly choose sattva while rajas is nice for atonement I personally prefer acc rings. Rajas outTPs acc rings easily and you should really have Atonement by now...
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Fenrir.Mankey
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By Fenrir.Mankey 2010-07-21 13:00:58
Why would anyone pick Satva when there is another ring to replace it thats better..... BBQ for HP... Hercules ring for Enmity, Jelly ring for PDT the only unique property about Satva is curing because of the VIT/Enm/HP mix, other then that learn to make macros and become a better player :)
Midgardsormr.Soki
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By Midgardsormr.Soki 2010-07-21 13:01:33
i'd say you were a troll if you weren't on ancient vows post update :(
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what do you mean, im asking valid questions and giving answers to the post, and what ancient vows post?
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Alexander.Nepharite
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By Alexander.Nepharite 2010-07-21 13:03:38
Sattva ring is pointless for the following reasons:
PDT rings > vit and def from sattva.
Other rings give more HP+
There are higher Emnity rings.
So go ahead and get a sattva ring if one of the following fits your situation:
You don't know how to use macros.
-edit, did have more reasons for the "to use" reason on sattva, but decided to be nice.
Cerberus.Scruffumz
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By Cerberus.Scruffumz 2010-07-21 13:05:10
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Carbuncle.Sevourn
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-07-21 13:06:31
Midgardsormr.Soki said:
i'd say you were a troll if you weren't on ancient vows post update :(
what do you mean, im asking valid questions and giving answers to the post, and what ancient vows post?
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By Sylph.Ashaaman 2010-07-21 13:06:52
Midgardsormr.Soki said: Quote:
i'd say you were a troll if you weren't on ancient vows post update :(
what do you mean, im asking valid questions and giving answers to the post, and what ancient vows post?
You're on Ancient Vows in CoP, aka, you don't even have a ring, so you can't talk.
Two, Rajas > All, the other rings can be replaced, quite easily.
Also; Guys, Nyzul is hard :\
For a career PLD which one is more convenient? I don't plan to level many DD jobs, I have SAM79 and will end DRG but that's it. I don't do dynamis, but just started doing Limbus, Sky and soon nyzul climbs using both SAM and PLD.
I keep hearing that Rajas also works good on PLD but I am not sure... the enmity, vit and agi from the sattva looks better to me.
Thanks for the help.
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