How Good Is Multihit Khanda For Atonement Spam?

Stop editing your posts! Gawd >_> freaking Mods thinking they are all powerful Gawds! It's uncool!

No <3 from me then, can keep wearing that silly purple hands and feet! Mwahahaha~

Haha! Thats my revenge. Be late! Be very late! Mwahaha-hahaha-hahahaha!

I'm gunna go out and see if I can break 1k on a lvl 1 mob with just random gear I use for my blm and rdm ;)

Too bad it's light day

And start of it to. Good luck to you, Even doing 800+ would make me smile.

Sadly if RDM still had it's hate tools it would nearly wipe PLD from tanking, maybe thats why SE nerfed it.

Blu has rediculous hate tools. Hell most of the buffs especially the new ones pull way more hate than a buff should lol

iirc the OA2-3 weapons were found to be 50:30:20, but that rivals joyeuse (and, eventually, outdating it after the next update).
The OAT sword isn't worth it, unless your only job is BLU, but, if you are a RDM or PLD, do the OA2-3 sword.

no, they aren't fairly even in their use. if for some reason you DID need dot and were determined to be paladin, joyeuse would beat out OAT because of lower delay and higher DA proc rate. OAT does not have a use for a paladin. Of course, if it was something weak enough for pld tp to be a factor, {job change} would be the best strategy. yes i know you're pld onry. hey, won't take long to get that war the rest of the way up.

to the best of my knowledge, oathrice does something nothing else does, making it potentially quite valuable. there's no comparing the oat and the oathrice.

Yes I accidentally used reactor cool lol

please explain why homam is more of a "tanking" type and perle is more of a "DD" type.

perle is just flat out superior to hauby+3/5 homam, with the exeeption that you may want to still macro it/acp body in for shadows/flash/etc. because of the fastcast on the pants/acp body

with ares or nocturnus, the discussion becomes a little more complex but in most cases you'd still want to go with perle

lur, you'r a cool dude but so far in this thread you've said that OAT was better than OAThrice and then said they were even. you gave the wrong haste values for perle and when corrected you still recommended homam for some unfathomable reason. then you gave bad drain values

if you're determined to give out info, either qualify it with "i'm not sure about this" or fact check your stuff before you post it

I think he is referring to the HP/MP gains.

I thought OAT was at 45%, same as Joy. When did that end up changing? Higher delay yes but wouldn't the damage make up for that? Also yeah I could do WAR but really not interested in it.

And yeah Dasva, wasn't really forgetting BLU but I am not familer at all with their hate tools to place it. Nightfyre talks often enough, on top of other people that it can tank amazingly well but RDM was at least one of the greater tanks the game had.

As for the 1008, I'm blown away. Are you able to keep it to about 900ish on average? That is just simply amazing...

Sorry for my late responses, switch to reading manga while I wait for earth weather to spawn -.-; Once this Earthday comes around I can say goodbye to the Kuzotz region...

so can we agree that with decent refresh/mp management, max mp really doesn't matter after your first few spells and the hp is a nice bonus but not worth sacrificing extra attack/less hitting for zeros

it never changed you just had bad info

the damage might make up for the delay if the DA proc rate was identical to joy, but it's not, so it doesn't

Swap out homam legs for perle and swap acc ring for blitz!!! Same haste more acc and emnity.

I was wondering about this. Should I stick with Ares for the refresh or swap out for Perle gear for the damage gains.. Secondly, with the reduction I get in HP wearing Perle gear(as Taru), would it be worth it to risk wearing Perle for things that could nom my face off?

Also, I'm currently on the Demons part of the OA2-3 sword, did we come to a consensus that it was better than Joytoy for Atonement spam? Or is it situationally better?

want to reply but late for work sorry ><

if no one's fielded it when i get back, which i doubt i'll answer it then

Situational ***is situational.

For atonement spam you will tp faster and generally do more dmg because of that with OA2-3. Do you want to feed that much tp though? Who knows

Honestly, was thinking of it mainly being a fun toy in Campaign. Mobs already spam TP moves, so that won't be an issue, but if Joyeuse is still better, then I guess this will just be a off-hander for BLU.

That, also fastcast. Plus you can swap the body around to fit various situations, Perle you don't have that, it's more damage based, plus having to wear all of it just to get the total haste values. Also the Homam pieces has +1 over the the Perle pieces and Turban with 5, allowing you to swap in different pieces for other uses and still keeping a bigger value of haste over Perle.

OAT did seem better to me, personally. After seeing this thread and getting new information I have changed views. Honestly they still do seem even, yes 2-3 times is special but also we don't know what SE is planning, the OAT may still get a spot if they throw us a high damage physical WS. Plus future paths, 2-3 could start getting damage added and the OAT will probably start getting reduced delay. Probably won't but it's SE, we won't know for sure unless they say it or until the update. I'm going to sit my Antea at the first split and leave it there until the next update happens and we see the next stuff.

And yeah, I messed up my haste and drain values, been a crappy morning thus far, I even admitted my mistakes =(. I usual do either have backup for my information or note that it's a speculated response, at least if I can remember I guess. I was going off memory this morning and screwed up cause of it.

*edited* I see what you ment now. My first few posts were off my phone were I did go off memory. Didn't realize the OAT and 2-3 had the same delay back then.

Off topic, but what do you think of the STR+ATT path sword for Blue Mage?

It's good. It's number 1 or number 2 swd for pretty much any spell you can have. Well assuming uncapped fstr... which is getting easier and easier to do...

It also helps your melee and ws dmg a fair amount. But I got koggles and am like 30 kills away from AO2-3 swd so yeah

What'd you do for Demon path? Doing imps seems like it'd take forever with whatever competition might be around, but if they repop fast enough maybe it wouldn't be so bad.

Competetion wasn't so bad except on thunderday. But then I'd just team up with dex path trialers which was nice. Also duod with some blus. Nice since I rarely have to rest with anothe blu. It did take forever but got alot of xp in the process. Like from lvl 75 to 78 I think

Damn.. was kind of hoping you'd say, "There are these really weak demons all bunched together in Castle Zvahl that you can just Grand Slam! Took me like 2hrs to do."

Guess I better get cranking.

Just wait till you get to 450 wamouras.... I only do it teamed up with other trial people now

I will admit... that one trial alone is half the reason I'm not interested in doing the 2-3 sword at this time.

I get like 60-80 done every fire day... except apparently this one since none of the str path people are here lol

Well for starters lowering your HP (variable by race) would be risky vs something high level if support is somewhat low. Also if you're talking about NQ haub/homam then yeah, Perle wins. But HQ Haub/Homam gives a higher hit rate more important to PLD since even with food they won't cap acc on anything relatively high. Plus the +Attack on Perle, while higher, won't increase you damage ratio to the point you'd actually notice less 0s.

Ah, not bad at all really. How many people do you usually have around and how hard are they in general? I never bothered with ToAU areas and have effectivly zero experiance against many of the mobs. I mean hell, just running through the reef for the staging point had me on edge...

Well the lower ones are doable but higher def and spike+enfire move can hurt things alot and slow things down to make kills slow. When I'm soloing I just get on rdm and nuke them to death takes about 2/3s my mp if I am killing quickish. The adults are alot more annoying.

Usually there is 8-12 people here doing it on fireday... but today there is none so I'd say they might of finished since day/weather ones have much lower kill number of kills

Yeah from looking at wiki I would have truely luck based fights if I end up soloing. I'd probably look around and see if there are a lot of people killing them before I even went onto that trial (provided I was at it.)