CA: Marijuana Legalization

Because they would. I don't do any form of drugs besides medication.
I don't have fun hanging out with high people. At least when people are drunk, it's like talking to a 5 year old. Talking to someone high is like talking to a brick wall. They just sit around doing nothing.

Yea because the laws 21+ lol. =D Infants have alzheimers, have ya hurrrrd

The government would want to benefit from it being legal somehow, I'd assume. Besides that, they'll just keep using it as an excuse to arrest people and get ze money!

Nope. Legal drugs are always cheaper than illegal ones. We've been through this once before with alcohol.

I think you've watched to many govt videos. Whats the one? With Peter or whatever? He just sits on his coach for 5 hours?

Well they would, everyone isn't going to want to grow it, people that do, that would sell it off the streets, if they really wanted to make their business huge they would end up just selling it to the chain stores no? Which are taxed? Or they could keep selling it off the streets, but that doesn't mean other bigger companies aren't going to still.

Makes sence since exporting and importing them would be easier and cheaper. I guess the tax wouldnt be that high either.

Yeah I bet everyone who goes and buys cigarettes is old enough too.

Now w Ok now we're getting somewhere! I think we can have a discussion now. Davsa, do you think its easier for a teen to get alcohol or pot? What significance, does legality have on acess? Does controlling age by the govt help or hurt teens in reference to pot and or alcohol?

The government doesn't make any money off arresting people. It's really, really expensive.

I've never watched a single government video on marijuana.
I'm only talking about how people I've seen act while high. They don't do anything reckless, I'll admit that.

I honestly don't care what they do with it. It won't effect me at all unless I were to get in an accident because the other driver is high, etc.

Ah, okay.

lol im high right now, and im so willing to talk ive decided to get involved in a thread ^^
as for sitting there doing nothing, what do you want? people running around bouncing off the walls?

I'd say that has to do with your moral judgment, if you think someone is going to get into a car wreck because they are high...why are you riding in a car with them/not driving

IE: if you are afraid of them getting in a car wreck, don't ride in a car with someone who is high.
you afraid they are going to slow you to death?

Well ***, there has to be SOME reason they won't legalize it. I've heard many reasons why it should be legal over the years, but there has to be some hypothetically good reason why they won't.

I can't control if someone else on the road is high/drunk driving, lol. If I know my friend is high/drunk, of course I don't get the car with 'em.

it's because the US is full of bureaucratic *** and they are probably making money out of it some way, at least in regards to slavery(prison system)
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@haseyo: you ever gotten into a collision with another car with someone who's high in it?
if you get in a wreck, and the other person is high, there's a good chance they aren't only high on weed, that coupled with the fact that they are on the road anyway means that they don't have good judgment skills anyway and should not be on the road, but fearing something that hasn't ever happened to you seems illogical?
you afraid of getting struck by lightning too?

Again, there isn't a solid correlation between driving high and accidents, and why people worry about this so much but don't care at all about people driving on prescription pills is beyond me. If we're going to protest this as a reason why pot shouldn't be legal, why aren't we protesting why certain prescription pills (Even legal ones too really) should be illegal?

If only prison was more like slavery. I mean makes sense you littlerally work off your crime. And of course stop being an even bigger burden on the economy. Ironically some people actually have much better quality of live and for free than in there actual life

i can tell you that, me on oxycontin=the most not safe thing in the world in regards to me driving.

there are so many things that i could argue towards that, but i'd rather not, not because I don't think we could have a civil discussion, more to the ends that other people wouldn't be able to have one.

edit: I will add one point though, legalize weed, that takes a ***ton of first time/repeat/etc offenders out of the system therefore *** up how the government perpetuates it.
illegal drugs fuel our prison system to put it bluntly.

also, your point on working off their crime only is valid when that is legitimately a crime and not some possession charge for weed.

weed's decriminalized here in the o-h-i-o though.

I'm actually not nearly as informed on why pot is illegal, but I have some vague theories which seem backed up by the historical record. So keep in mind I'm speculating.

Mainly, pot has always been associated with counter-cultures that go against the group in political power. During the civil war and reconstruction, it was southern blacks. During the 20's and 30's it was those *&#$in beatniks. During the 50's, 60's, and 70's, it was those damn dirty hippies.

When threatened by a counter-culture that they can't attack on the merits alone, the government tends to react by making parts of that culture's identity illegal. Thus providing the legal authority for the government to break up and control it.

This has happened a lot in US history. During the colonial days, the Protestant government passed laws against Catholics not by banning Catholicism (which they couldn't legally do), but by banning the practice of it. (No obeying the Pope, no confessionals, no Hail Mary's, etc.)

You can't arrest someone for being a hippy, but if most hippies smoke pot, well then... just make pot illegal and now you can round 'em up however you wish.

Lol @ those damn dirty hippys

Wait, what? lol
Why wouldn't I be afraid of being struck by lightning? A guy around my area was struck by it last week and died.
With that logic, why get insurance on anything? It hasn't happened yet, so why bother worry about it, right?

Marijuana effects sight and judgment, right?
And actually yes, my friend hit a tree not too long ago while high because she didn't process the fact that it was in her face. She was going straight at like 20mph. Only had weed.




None of my medicine *** with my brain processing so I have no idea what you're talking about.

Yes, legalize Marijuana, please. I would thoroughly enjoy sitting back and watching evolution take it's course. Though, maybe not in my lifetime but, the world would be that much of a better place once all of you potheads have been weeded out. Pun intended.

Such blissful ignorance infuriates me, this thread is just further proof on the failure of the human race. I truly hope we're never visited by an advanced alien species, it would be an embarrassment to be categorized under the same demographic.

This is true, and a good theory as to why it may have remained illegal, but I think it all just stems from the beginning of when it first became so (anyone interested in the story can easily find it online: http://www.hereticalideas.com/2009/02/harry-anslinger-the-original-drug-warrior/), its always been a source of funding for the govt, its literally the govt being its own lobbyist.

God! If only pot od's killed people, survival of the fittest might play.

Keep in mind that none of these laws are suggesting we completely remove government control of pot. The California decriminalization proposition is just to place it under existing smoking and alcohol laws.

Basically, the production is regulated and taxed. The distribution is managed. No use or sales to minors. No smoking pot where you otherwise couldn't smoke tobacco or drink in public. And no driving under the influence.

It seems similar to why people don't want gay marriage legalized, religious or moral standpoints, nothing is actually harmful about it.

The only reason aside from what I stated above I can think of, is the tobacco companies don't want to take up weed since a lot of people will just grow their own if it's legal. They 'assume' it won't make them as much money imo so they prefer to keep it illegal and not worry about crashing their cigarette market for a risky change.

Personally I think the weed market will make more than tobacco and people will buy it instead of grow it, but maybe they have opposing thoughts, I really can't say tbh, it's all speculation.