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CA: Marijuana legalization
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: there's a good chance they aren't only high on weed, that coupled with the fact that they are on the road anyway means that they don't have good judgment skills anyway and should not be on the road, but fearing something that hasn't ever happened to you seems illogical? probability>your situation. would you have rear ended that guy if you weren't high? Ramuh.Haseyo said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: @haseyo: you ever gotten into a collision with another car with someone who's high in it? if you get in a wreck, and the other person is high, there's a good chance they aren't only high on weed, that coupled with the fact that they are on the road anyway means that they don't have good judgment skills anyway and should not be on the road, but fearing something that hasn't ever happened to you seems illogical? you afraid of getting struck by lightning too? Wait, what? lol Why wouldn't I be afraid of being struck by lightning? A guy around my area was struck by it last week and died. With that logic, why get insurance on anything? It hasn't happened yet, so why bother worry about it, right? Marijuana effects sight and judgment, right? And actually yes, my friend hit a tree not too long ago while high because she didn't process the fact that it was in her face. She was going straight at like 20mph. Only had weed. took me out of context there, unless you think the lightning is out to get you..can't help you there. Girl driver got in a car wreck while on weed? don't even want to approach that because I will get a lot of people calling me sexist.
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Bismarck.Demented said: Yes, legalize Marijuana, please. I would thoroughly enjoy sitting back and watching evolution take it's course. Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: It seems similar to why people don't want gay marriage legalized, religious or moral standpoints, nothing is actually harmful about it. The only reason aside from what I stated above I can think of, is the tobacco companies don't want to take up weed since a lot of people will just grow their own if it's legal. They 'assume' it won't make them as much money imo so they prefer to keep it illegal and not worry about crashing their cigarette market for a risky change. Personally I think the weed market will make more than tobacco and people will buy it instead of grow it, but maybe they have opposing thoughts, I really can't say tbh, it's all speculation. I imagine marijuana will be much the same.
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Lakshmi.Jaerik said: Keep in mind that none of these laws are suggesting we completely remove government control of pot. The California decriminalization proposition is just to place it under existing smoking and alcohol laws. Basically, the production is regulated and taxed. The distribution is managed. No use or sales to minors. No smoking pot where you otherwise couldn't smoke tobacco or drink in public. And no driving under the influence. As long as it's basically treated like alcohol, I don't see the issue. I just don't support drug use in general, but if that's what gets ya off, so be it. Just don't let it effect me >.>; Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: would you have rear ended that guy if you weren't high? I think DUI laws are a-okay.
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Lakshmi.Jaerik said: Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: It seems similar to why people don't want gay marriage legalized, religious or moral standpoints, nothing is actually harmful about it. The only reason aside from what I stated above I can think of, is the tobacco companies don't want to take up weed since a lot of people will just grow their own if it's legal. They 'assume' it won't make them as much money imo so they prefer to keep it illegal and not worry about crashing their cigarette market for a risky change. Personally I think the weed market will make more than tobacco and people will buy it instead of grow it, but maybe they have opposing thoughts, I really can't say tbh, it's all speculation. I imagine marijuana will be much the same. That is true, I was just considering the amount of true hardcore hippies that would want their own pure breed of weed instead of the company manufactured, and most likely chemically altered stuff. I believe this will be nothing but profit and good things for everybody, but I assume so based off speculation, somehow the tobacco companies or government MUST see it differently, it's the only way I can possibly rationalize how they want to keep it illegal. Even then, I still can't think of how they come up with those rational conclusions I can't even think of. X_x Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: would you have rear ended that guy if you weren't high? The only reason I brought up the fact that we don't know why the government hasn't legalized it yet is the fact that we don't know what to refute.
I bet the government agrees with all this ***, but until we know the real reason behind it, we can't argue. Maybe they're hiding it for that very reason. Ramuh.Haseyo said: The only reason I brought up the fact that we don't know why the government hasn't legalized it yet is the fact that we don't know what to refute. I bet the government agrees with all this ***, but until we know the real reason behind it, we can't argue. Maybe they're hiding it for that very reason. This confuses me. Are you insinuating that it's ok for them to hide anything from us? Cause if so I've got my hand ready for a major *** facepalm. I do agree that we don't know why it's illegal other than speculation, but I have to ask the above question. I really hope you aren't THAT pro-government. >_> Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Amsterdam's weed shops sell weed so cheap it's ridiculous, they got some ***over there called amnesia, with one hit you don't want no more cuz your super high already (cuz and bro story). Buying it legally would be much more ideal cuz the price will just keep going down until it settles.
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Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: Ramuh.Haseyo said: The only reason I brought up the fact that we don't know why the government hasn't legalized it yet is the fact that we don't know what to refute. I bet the government agrees with all this ***, but until we know the real reason behind it, we can't argue. Maybe they're hiding it for that very reason. This confuses me. Are you insinuating that it's ok for them to hide anything from us? Cause if so I've got my hand ready for a major *** facepalm. I do agree that we don't know why it's illegal other than speculation, but I have to ask the above question. I really hope you aren't THAT pro-government. >_> No no, I don't think it's good at all, lol. I'm not pro-government, but I'm also not all "*** THE MAN!" I look at things from both sides, that's all. I think they aren't telling us for that reason alone. Again, as long as it would be controlled just like alcohol (if you even consider that to be controlled), then I don't mind it. People will continue to smoke regardless.
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Ramuh.Haseyo said: Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: Ramuh.Haseyo said: The only reason I brought up the fact that we don't know why the government hasn't legalized it yet is the fact that we don't know what to refute. I bet the government agrees with all this ***, but until we know the real reason behind it, we can't argue. Maybe they're hiding it for that very reason. This confuses me. Are you insinuating that it's ok for them to hide anything from us? Cause if so I've got my hand ready for a major *** facepalm. I do agree that we don't know why it's illegal other than speculation, but I have to ask the above question. I really hope you aren't THAT pro-government. >_> No no, I don't think it's good at all, lol. I'm not pro-government, but I'm also not all "*** THE MAN!" I look at things from both sides, that's all. I think they aren't telling us for that reason alone. Again, as long as it would be controlled just like alcohol (if you even consider that to be controlled), then I don't mind it. People will continue to smoke regardless. :D
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I just can't think of what the reason would be, or see a reason being so bad or detrimental to us, that the mere words being spoken would incite riots and such. It feels wrong to keep something like that from your people, maybe that's just me though.
I am curious for sure though. I don't even care if it's legalized I'm just looking at it logically and don't see why it shouldn't. Just the fact that there's know known reason why is gay. the government should protect our rights, and i should be able to put whatever the *** i want in my body as long as it's not harming anyone else.
not to mention all the wasted money and crime due to the drugs being illegal. Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: I just can't think of what the reason would be, or see a reason being so bad or detrimental to us, that the mere words being spoken would incite riots and such. It feels wrong to keep something like that from your people, maybe that's just me though. I am curious for sure though. I don't even care if it's legalized I'm just looking at it logically and don't see why it shouldn't. Just the fact that there's know known reason why is gay. a good chunk of it can be put towards the fact that we live in a country that takes forever to pass anything legislative-wise, so i'd have to say it has something to do with that. it would cut a lot of money off for the prison system, which would cut money off for the services that are provided for the prison system(food/clothes/other) therefore taking a bit of a dent to the economy IMO.
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Ramuh.Vinvv said: Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: I just can't think of what the reason would be, or see a reason being so bad or detrimental to us, that the mere words being spoken would incite riots and such. It feels wrong to keep something like that from your people, maybe that's just me though. I am curious for sure though. I don't even care if it's legalized I'm just looking at it logically and don't see why it shouldn't. Just the fact that there's know known reason why is gay. a good chunk of it can be put towards the fact that we live in a country that takes forever to pass anything legislative-wise, so i'd have to say it has something to do with that. it would cut a lot of money off for the prison system, which would cut money off for the services that are provided for the prison system(food/clothes/other) therefore taking a bit of a dent to the economy IMO. I thought it cost more to maintain the prisons than was made from them, not all of them make license plates and do hard labor ect. Maybe I was wrong though. We are starting to run out of room though in prisons, regardless of how much money they make. Cutting lose the low-end weed offenders and making it legal seems like it would do more good than harm but once again, I think differently than the government apparently. Do you know how much an average prison makes from each prisoner and how much is spent to maintain them? I'm curious. Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: I just can't think of what the reason would be, or see a reason being so bad or detrimental to us, that the mere words being spoken would incite riots and such. It feels wrong to keep something like that from your people, maybe that's just me though. I am curious for sure though. I don't even care if it's legalized I'm just looking at it logically and don't see why it shouldn't. Just the fact that there's know known reason why is gay. a good chunk of it can be put towards the fact that we live in a country that takes forever to pass anything legislative-wise, so i'd have to say it has something to do with that. it would cut a lot of money off for the prison system, which would cut money off for the services that are provided for the prison system(food/clothes/other) therefore taking a bit of a dent to the economy IMO. I thought it cost more to maintain the prisons than was made from them, not all of them make license plates and do hard labor ect. Maybe I was wrong though. We are starting to run out of room though in prisons, regardless of how much money they make. Cutting lose the low-end weed offenders and making it legal seems like it would do more good than harm but once again, I think differently than the government apparently. Do you know how much an average prison makes from each prisoner and how much is spent to maintain them? I'm curious. lets say there is a prison that has 20,000 weed offenders and i'll make a random number of 7,000 other random offenses.(this is by far not a realistic figure, i'm just making it as an example) these weed offenders if taken out of the prison sentence would remove 20k worth of food/products..etc i watch a lot of discovery and nat geo lol, not that i didn't have a good idea about it already, it just makes the concepts fresh in my mind.
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Ramuh.Vinvv said: Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: I just can't think of what the reason would be, or see a reason being so bad or detrimental to us, that the mere words being spoken would incite riots and such. It feels wrong to keep something like that from your people, maybe that's just me though. I am curious for sure though. I don't even care if it's legalized I'm just looking at it logically and don't see why it shouldn't. Just the fact that there's know known reason why is gay. a good chunk of it can be put towards the fact that we live in a country that takes forever to pass anything legislative-wise, so i'd have to say it has something to do with that. it would cut a lot of money off for the prison system, which would cut money off for the services that are provided for the prison system(food/clothes/other) therefore taking a bit of a dent to the economy IMO. I thought it cost more to maintain the prisons than was made from them, not all of them make license plates and do hard labor ect. Maybe I was wrong though. We are starting to run out of room though in prisons, regardless of how much money they make. Cutting lose the low-end weed offenders and making it legal seems like it would do more good than harm but once again, I think differently than the government apparently. Do you know how much an average prison makes from each prisoner and how much is spent to maintain them? I'm curious. lets say there is a prison that has 20,000 weed offenders and i'll make a random number of 7,000 other random offenses. these weed offenders if taken out of the prison sentence would remove 20k worth of food/products..etc That's like pissing in a lake compared to the amount the government could make if they legalized and taxed it. As it's been pointed out before, placing a heavy tax similar to the one on cigs would prove highly profitable. And people aren't going to stop smoking cigs just to smoke weed, the two are totally different from one another. Totally different effects on a totally different level. Not to mention nicotine is a wee bit addictive. I thought they had limited space to make the products though and not every single person in the prison had a work shift. I thought if the weed offenders were taken out which is prolly less than 10% it wouldn't impact it much, other people in there would just get much work.
Explain it if you can or link me somewhere to go read lol. I don't understand fully how the prisons work, I'm just assuming. Who cares what California voters want when California judges can just overturn them? It'd be delicious irony to see marijuana legalized only to have some judge tell them uh-uh.
Pandemonium.Kajidourden said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: I just can't think of what the reason would be, or see a reason being so bad or detrimental to us, that the mere words being spoken would incite riots and such. It feels wrong to keep something like that from your people, maybe that's just me though. I am curious for sure though. I don't even care if it's legalized I'm just looking at it logically and don't see why it shouldn't. Just the fact that there's know known reason why is gay. a good chunk of it can be put towards the fact that we live in a country that takes forever to pass anything legislative-wise, so i'd have to say it has something to do with that. it would cut a lot of money off for the prison system, which would cut money off for the services that are provided for the prison system(food/clothes/other) therefore taking a bit of a dent to the economy IMO. I thought it cost more to maintain the prisons than was made from them, not all of them make license plates and do hard labor ect. Maybe I was wrong though. We are starting to run out of room though in prisons, regardless of how much money they make. Cutting lose the low-end weed offenders and making it legal seems like it would do more good than harm but once again, I think differently than the government apparently. Do you know how much an average prison makes from each prisoner and how much is spent to maintain them? I'm curious. lets say there is a prison that has 20,000 weed offenders and i'll make a random number of 7,000 other random offenses. these weed offenders if taken out of the prison sentence would remove 20k worth of food/products..etc That's like pissing in a lake compared to the amount the government could make if they legalized and taxed it. As it's been pointed out before, placing a heavy tax similar to the one on cigs would prove highly profitable. And people aren't going to stop smoking cigs just to smoke weed, the two are totally different from one another. Totally different effects on a totally different level. Not to mention nicotine is a wee bit addictive. this could just be one factor out of many. they make more money out of the court costs out of anything really :/
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Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: I thought they had limited space to make the products though and not every single person in the prison had a work shift. I thought if the weed offenders were taken out which is prolly less than 10% it wouldn't impact it much, other people in there would just get much work. Explain it if you can or link me somewhere to go read lol. I don't understand fully how the prisons work, I'm just assuming. This is pretty much the case, not to mention what he's talking about is the distributor, which while business contributes to economic growth it isn't early the amount that someone who is apart of society will be be promoting economic growth. Granted, not everyone in for those offenses will be a fully functioning member of society if released. Ramuh.Vinvv said: Pandemonium.Kajidourden said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: I just can't think of what the reason would be, or see a reason being so bad or detrimental to us, that the mere words being spoken would incite riots and such. It feels wrong to keep something like that from your people, maybe that's just me though. I am curious for sure though. I don't even care if it's legalized I'm just looking at it logically and don't see why it shouldn't. Just the fact that there's know known reason why is gay. a good chunk of it can be put towards the fact that we live in a country that takes forever to pass anything legislative-wise, so i'd have to say it has something to do with that. it would cut a lot of money off for the prison system, which would cut money off for the services that are provided for the prison system(food/clothes/other) therefore taking a bit of a dent to the economy IMO. I thought it cost more to maintain the prisons than was made from them, not all of them make license plates and do hard labor ect. Maybe I was wrong though. We are starting to run out of room though in prisons, regardless of how much money they make. Cutting lose the low-end weed offenders and making it legal seems like it would do more good than harm but once again, I think differently than the government apparently. Do you know how much an average prison makes from each prisoner and how much is spent to maintain them? I'm curious. lets say there is a prison that has 20,000 weed offenders and i'll make a random number of 7,000 other random offenses. these weed offenders if taken out of the prison sentence would remove 20k worth of food/products..etc That's like pissing in a lake compared to the amount the government could make if they legalized and taxed it. As it's been pointed out before, placing a heavy tax similar to the one on cigs would prove highly profitable. And people aren't going to stop smoking cigs just to smoke weed, the two are totally different from one another. Totally different effects on a totally different level. Not to mention nicotine is a wee bit addictive. this could just be one factor out of many. they make more money out of the court costs out of anything really :/ Idk about that really. Most of the "lowbie" let's call them, offenders don't get any kind of legal representation, not even a public defender (which isnt free anymore lulz). Most court fees are only about 250 dollars (not counting public defenders or any fines, just the court fees). Edit: Then again, that's collected from EVERYONE who has to go to court, not just those convicted, so I retract my statement. Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: I thought they had limited space to make the products though and not every single person in the prison had a work shift. I thought if the weed offenders were taken out which is prolly less than 10% it wouldn't impact it much, other people in there would just get much work. Explain it if you can or link me somewhere to go read lol. I don't understand fully how the prisons work, I'm just assuming. just like they have their private organizations provide food for schools and what not. just the concept of lets say 10% as you said of the prison population is released on weed charges, you wouldn't have any them repopulating the prisons and throwing more money in anymore. repeat offenders ftw.
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Pandemonium.Kajidourden said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Pandemonium.Kajidourden said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: I just can't think of what the reason would be, or see a reason being so bad or detrimental to us, that the mere words being spoken would incite riots and such. It feels wrong to keep something like that from your people, maybe that's just me though. I am curious for sure though. I don't even care if it's legalized I'm just looking at it logically and don't see why it shouldn't. Just the fact that there's know known reason why is gay. a good chunk of it can be put towards the fact that we live in a country that takes forever to pass anything legislative-wise, so i'd have to say it has something to do with that. it would cut a lot of money off for the prison system, which would cut money off for the services that are provided for the prison system(food/clothes/other) therefore taking a bit of a dent to the economy IMO. I thought it cost more to maintain the prisons than was made from them, not all of them make license plates and do hard labor ect. Maybe I was wrong though. We are starting to run out of room though in prisons, regardless of how much money they make. Cutting lose the low-end weed offenders and making it legal seems like it would do more good than harm but once again, I think differently than the government apparently. Do you know how much an average prison makes from each prisoner and how much is spent to maintain them? I'm curious. lets say there is a prison that has 20,000 weed offenders and i'll make a random number of 7,000 other random offenses. these weed offenders if taken out of the prison sentence would remove 20k worth of food/products..etc That's like pissing in a lake compared to the amount the government could make if they legalized and taxed it. As it's been pointed out before, placing a heavy tax similar to the one on cigs would prove highly profitable. And people aren't going to stop smoking cigs just to smoke weed, the two are totally different from one another. Totally different effects on a totally different level. Not to mention nicotine is a wee bit addictive. this could just be one factor out of many. they make more money out of the court costs out of anything really :/ Idk about that really. Most of the "lowbie" let's call them, offenders don't get any kind of legal representation, not even a public defender (which isnt free anymore lulz). Most court fees are only about 250 dollars (not counting public defenders or any fines, just the court fees). makes me rage every time.
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Ramuh.Vinvv said: Pandemonium.Kajidourden said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Pandemonium.Kajidourden said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: I just can't think of what the reason would be, or see a reason being so bad or detrimental to us, that the mere words being spoken would incite riots and such. It feels wrong to keep something like that from your people, maybe that's just me though. I am curious for sure though. I don't even care if it's legalized I'm just looking at it logically and don't see why it shouldn't. Just the fact that there's know known reason why is gay. a good chunk of it can be put towards the fact that we live in a country that takes forever to pass anything legislative-wise, so i'd have to say it has something to do with that. it would cut a lot of money off for the prison system, which would cut money off for the services that are provided for the prison system(food/clothes/other) therefore taking a bit of a dent to the economy IMO. I thought it cost more to maintain the prisons than was made from them, not all of them make license plates and do hard labor ect. Maybe I was wrong though. We are starting to run out of room though in prisons, regardless of how much money they make. Cutting lose the low-end weed offenders and making it legal seems like it would do more good than harm but once again, I think differently than the government apparently. Do you know how much an average prison makes from each prisoner and how much is spent to maintain them? I'm curious. lets say there is a prison that has 20,000 weed offenders and i'll make a random number of 7,000 other random offenses. these weed offenders if taken out of the prison sentence would remove 20k worth of food/products..etc That's like pissing in a lake compared to the amount the government could make if they legalized and taxed it. As it's been pointed out before, placing a heavy tax similar to the one on cigs would prove highly profitable. And people aren't going to stop smoking cigs just to smoke weed, the two are totally different from one another. Totally different effects on a totally different level. Not to mention nicotine is a wee bit addictive. this could just be one factor out of many. they make more money out of the court costs out of anything really :/ Idk about that really. Most of the "lowbie" let's call them, offenders don't get any kind of legal representation, not even a public defender (which isnt free anymore lulz). Most court fees are only about 250 dollars (not counting public defenders or any fines, just the court fees). makes me rage every time. Wtf? I got $1,800 the court fees of $250 probation for a year license revoked for a year and 50 hours community service. Now IM raging over this ***lol |
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