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Which H2H weapon should i choose?
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By Bahamut.Shadowskull 2010-08-07 10:06:23
im a elvaan mnk with capped h2h and str merits. have decent gear but no usu.
which of these 3 weapons should i use? (no footwork)
lunaris claws: DPS: 518 DMG:+26 Delay:+96 DEX+3 Attack and Accuracy varies by moon phase.
jps website says it gives around 15 att. acc not sure. also not sure bout the moon phase.
afflictors: DPS: 446 DMG:+22 Delay:+96 Critical hit rate +3% Additional effect: "Kick Attacks"+7
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Taipan Fangs: DPS: 498 DMG:+22 Delay:+61
think str att + would be the best, since dex acc could overkill my acc.
i know its all situational but what you think would be the best overall weapon for endgame, solo, abyssea, ...
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By Odin.Oldive 2010-08-07 10:10:58
I'm a Taru MNK, and I'm going for Ursine Claws OA2-3 so that I can get poise shoes and full-time footwork.
Something worth considering.
Also, overkilling accuracy for MNK is probably not something to worry about, because extra accuracy allows you to change gear or food choices for more attack in other places, so DEX/Acc is something to consider, still.
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By Shiva.Daimos 2010-08-07 10:11:33
Odin.Oldive said: I'm a Taru MNK, and I'm going for Ursine Claws OA2-3 so that I can get poise shoes and full-time footwork.
Something worth considering. ^
Carbuncle.Axle
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By Carbuncle.Axle 2010-08-07 10:54:02
w/o footwork, go with the +26 dmg.
But like others said OaT3 claws are teh best.
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By Bahamut.Evilswine 2010-08-07 11:01:47
i think he meant h2h weapons WITHOUT footwork
Carbuncle.Axle
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By Carbuncle.Axle 2010-08-07 11:09:26
Bahamut.Shadowskull said:
which of these 3 weapons should i use? (no footwork)
/sigh
Thought ppl were just ignoring this.
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By Bismarck.Magnumatic 2010-08-07 11:23:40
Odin.Oldive said: I'm sorry! I'm just really *** ignorant!
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Quetzalcoatl.Opehlia
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By Quetzalcoatl.Opehlia 2010-08-07 11:52:39
y no footwork?o.O
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By Siren.Kyte 2010-08-07 12:41:13
For non-footwork, STR claws are a great option.
Cerberus.Ryle
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By Cerberus.Ryle 2010-08-07 12:43:24
Kinematics did some math (you can check it all out for yourself; Allakhazam's Forums/ FFXI Job Discussions/ Monk/ Lvl 80 weapon comparisons)
~~~~~ Summary Data (Low end) ~~~~~
Standard H2H weapons
Ursine (2-3) : 79.583
Barracudas : 87.925
Destroyers : 88.218
Baseline : 88.840
Faiths : 88.922
Lunaris : 92.253
Shenlongs : 93.736
Ursine (OAT) : 94.461
Taipan (Fire) : 94.543
Verethregna : 95.640
Spharai (80) : 111.278
Footwork weapons
Baseline : 81.294
Ursine (OAT) : 97.547
Ursine (2-3) : 108.073
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-08-07 13:10:10
STR Taipans when Footwork is down but you'll still want OA2-3 for your Footwork build if you haven't started on them already.
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By Bahamut.Shadowskull 2010-08-08 09:14:17
thx very much for the info.
will wait with the ursine 2-3 after next update. its alot of work and dont want to efford that much time and after update they arent that good anymore.
anyway im a fan of hitting fast so i prefer normal h2h > footwork.
i saw these forums but they didnt include
1: the acc and att of lunaris claws
2: afflictors
i know there isnt info bout lunaris claws out yet, jps says its 15 att @ 50% moon, so i wanted to ask if they could be nice with a huge acc att boost. i know delay sucks
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2010-08-08 09:53:47
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By Unicorn.Motenten 2010-08-08 21:21:23
The above table includes Lunaris, assuming the 15 acc/15 att varying by moon phase the same way as Selene's Bow, but by 3 per interval instead of 5. They're a decent upgrade from Destroyers, but fire Taipan Fangs are better. [Side note: The info I'd read previously said they maxed at +15; if it's +15 at 50% moon, then they likely max at +25. Would need to redo the calculations in that case.]
Afflictors were done in the second table from that thread (different gear sets):
~~~~~ Summary Data (High end) ~~~~~
Standard H2H weapons
Afflictors : 123.730
Destroyers : 125.800
Baseline : 127.184
Shenlongs : 129.548
Taipan (Thnd) : 131.863
Taipan (Fire) : 133.990
Ursine (OAT) : 136.306
Verethregna : 137.126
Spharai (80) : 154.622
Footwork weapons
Baseline : 106.261
Ursine (OAT) : 127.069
Ursine (2-3) : 141.203
They appear to be a downgrade from Destroyers.
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By Bahamut.Shadowskull 2010-08-09 02:56:51
thx for info. means for me MMM can suck my b*lls
will keep on going with my str att h2h
if im rly bored imma start the ursine with 2-3
By Shiva.Khimaira 2010-08-09 03:14:11
Odin.Oldive said: I'm a Taru MNK, and I'm going for Ursine Claws OA2-3 so that I can get poise shoes and full-time footwork.
Something worth considering.
Also, overkilling accuracy for MNK is probably not something to worry about, because extra accuracy allows you to change gear or food choices for more attack in other places, so DEX/Acc is something to consider, still.
Well, I doubt you can beat the STR and Attack in that slot, but then again, you couldnt beat the Acc/Attk either.
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Lakshmi.Kitrah
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By Lakshmi.Kitrah 2010-08-25 10:32:06
So, what, Destroyers aren't a contender anymore? It still has awesome delay (48) and Crit Hit Rating.
People are losing their minds and forgetting 8 years and 75 levels of FFXI for these new updates.
Blau Dolch for under 400k....Wootz Ore for 30k.... You all should be ASHAMED of yourselves! D:<
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By Sylph.Rorrick 2010-08-26 04:06:23
Destroyers aren't garbage but as the trials continue for the STR Taipans the gap will increase.
As far as accuracy goes, unless you're pretty underequipped you should be capped or 90%+ on everything before eatting food at 80. Exceptions being some of the more evasive Abyssea mobs.
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-08-26 04:15:29
Lakshmi.Kitrah said: So, what, Destroyers aren't a contender anymore? It still has awesome delay (48) and Crit Hit Rating.
People are losing their minds and forgetting 8 years and 75 levels of FFXI for these new updates.
Blau Dolch for under 400k....Wootz Ore for 30k.... You all should be ASHAMED of yourselves! D:<
actually they aren't contenders anymore.. if you stack your footwork build (which consists of 2 items) you're DPS skyrockets as a mnk... the OA2-3 hits warfangs + Poise Shoes for mnk = foot work build basically if you combine it with the best haste you can muster, those h2h rival the LEVEL 80 SPHARAI..it has been parsed and posted in other threads...plus idk if you knew this Kit, but Faith Bangs blew away Destroyers too pre-cap raise if I'm not mistaken...due to the nature of OaT weapons.
Lakshmi.Kitrah
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By Lakshmi.Kitrah 2010-08-26 12:50:12
Ifrit.Eikechi said: Lakshmi.Kitrah said: So, what, Destroyers aren't a contender anymore? It still has awesome delay (48) and Crit Hit Rating.
People are losing their minds and forgetting 8 years and 75 levels of FFXI for these new updates.
Blau Dolch for under 400k....Wootz Ore for 30k.... You all should be ASHAMED of yourselves! D:<
actually they aren't contenders anymore.. if you stack your footwork build (which consists of 2 items) you're DPS skyrockets as a mnk... the OA2-3 hits warfangs + Poise Shoes for mnk = foot work build basically if you combine it with the best haste you can muster, those h2h rival the LEVEL 80 SPHARAI..it has been parsed and posted in other threads...plus idk if you knew this Kit, but Faith Bangs blew away Destroyers too pre-cap raise if I'm not mistaken...due to the nature of OaT weapons.
I'm a have to agree with you on that. I used to think Faiths were better myself, and that was BEFORE I learned that multi-attack abilities, like DA and TA, stacked with Sea weapons' own OAT.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-09-02 16:26:39
Ok so, rather than a new thread I'll just post here.
Thinking about picking up MNK on my mule again.
Seeing how it's a mule I dont wanna do the OA2-3 hands footwork build D:
Which options do I have that's acceptable at 80?
Is destroyers a decent choice still?
How about the WS trial magian thingies? (easy trials<3 :P)
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-09-02 16:30:21
Taipans are you best choice then, though if you're too lazy to do trials Destroyers are still good, can't say how that'll change next update though.
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-09-02 16:31:18
go go faith Bangs, not that hard to get as the drop is 100% from JoF and it also drops the badass torque for h2h :P
Cerberus.Kvazz
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-09-02 16:34:02
Ifrit.Eikechi said: go go faith Bangs, not that hard to get as the drop is 100% from JoF and it also drops the badass torque for h2h :P
Got those, but it's a pain to keep up with organs =p lol
Ok guess I'll hold off on trials for now and just keep to faith/destroyers or something xD
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-09-02 16:35:44
its kinda easy to just farm tissues outside in sea, those mobs are EP-------- and you can just spam goldfish. From what I remember they do drop something to give you ammo.
im a elvaan mnk with capped h2h and str merits. have decent gear but no usu.
which of these 3 weapons should i use? (no footwork)
lunaris claws: DPS: 518 DMG:+26 Delay:+96 DEX+3 Attack and Accuracy varies by moon phase.
jps website says it gives around 15 att. acc not sure. also not sure bout the moon phase.
afflictors: DPS: 446 DMG:+22 Delay:+96 Critical hit rate +3% Additional effect: "Kick Attacks"+7
or
Taipan Fangs: DPS: 498 DMG:+22 Delay:+61
think str att + would be the best, since dex acc could overkill my acc.
i know its all situational but what you think would be the best overall weapon for endgame, solo, abyssea, ...
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