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FFXIV - Likes / Dis-likes (Changes)
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By Sylph.Tibze 2010-09-28 15:08:12
I've saw a few comments about SE's FF14 dev staff etc. So out of curiosity I launched the game and did what most people don't do, and that was click on the "credits" option (because I'm one of the few that actually likes sitting threw and watching credits on games & films).
HOLY SHEET BALLS!! I could of swore I was watching the credits for Iron Man 2 or a similar type film... 0.0;
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-09-28 15:09:27
Leviathan.Yokhai said: Zekko said: Leviathan.Yokhai said: Phoenix.Darki said: Ramuh.Urial said: Zekko said: Eh. I dont mind if you guys like the game. It doesnt do justice for me. Definitely not Square Enixs best work. Just another Korean MMO Grind. Even the music sucks now :/ Whats with the electric guitar solo stuff? Honestly West Ronfaures music shits all over XIVs OST. Even Nobuo is starting to suck now. I remind yuo of Sandy's music since you want to mention shitty music. I do have to agree from what I've heard XI has much better music... lol
Does I have better music than XIV? Does X have better music than IV? What is the point of the comparisons?
The point of comparisons is to see what is improving and what isnt. Music is one of the most important factors.
Improving what? This isn't XI upgrade. It has an entirely different flow to it. I don't remember people saying i don't want to play XIII because the music isn't as good at XII.
It's fair to say "i prefer VIII's music or IV had some great tone to it" or even compare JUST the music between games to see how they have changed...not improved.
yes different game with the same simple base, but it doesn't change the fact that music is not that likable.
it's a little weird mmo music, but they are taking a risk at trying new things so can't blame em.
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-09-28 15:10:20
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By Valefor.Slipispsycho 2010-09-28 15:15:06
Zekko said: Leviathan.Yokhai said: Zekko said: Leviathan.Yokhai said: Zekko said: Meh. They had their chances tio make this a good game and they have failed. No amount of defeneidng their decisions imo will make this game any better or make me feel any better playing it. Idc if its an mmo and they change over time. It shouldnt have been released full stop. The game is going down the Age of Conan route already
what chances? do you have ANY idea what it takes to produce an MMO?
Do you see any non cash rich company making MMO's at top tier quality on release, oh while running a completely different one?
What they have put out is decent, and it better get better. But they need the customer support to do so. Hopefully SE will learn from their mistakes, and that's what people are playing for.
I have a slight idea yes. I know it will get better, but for the moment the game sucks for me. You would of thought SE learned form their mistakes of running a 7 year old MMO. But obviously not.
Well it depends on what mistakes you are talking about. The point of this thread is for you to outline what you see missing. Please enlighten us.
1) AH. After XI why would they not put an AH? I mean everyone wants one, are they not listening? 75% of the playerbase want an AH
2) Guildleve Timers. Im sorry the game doesnt have enough content so it is purposly slowing us down. Wouldnt of been a problem if they had kept the game in development til next year
3) Lag. Menu lag is bad from what i hear. This is supposed to be the real game not Beta(even though its pretty much beta 5) There shouldnt really be menu lag on the retail...Cmon.
4) Crafting. Cmon. XI's crafting was perfect. I pick the items i want to use too craft and then click OK. What is with all this menu stuff? Why does it take 1 - 2 minutes setting up to craft clicking through a dozen menus.
5) Zones. Why are there only 3 giant zones to level in? Obviously theres more areas to explore. But i prefer XI's system of moving area to area. From what i gathered theres level 1 - 40 mobs in the starter areas. Obviously farther in.
6) (This is more my opinion)Boring. The game is boring, bland and empty. Mobs arent really in large numbers, after you do the Leves and starter Quests theres literally nothing to do besides Craft or Grind which is boring. I'd prefer at least a Quest system where i talk to people and receive Quests. Guildleves suck. Also even for a new game there's only a few starter Quests? o.O
I dont mind bugs here and there because of it being new but there's just some extremely poor designs done here. The game is a major step back from XI. Inb4 XI has been out for 7 years, they have had time to learn from the playerbase and understand what made XI good. I would have prefered XI v2 with shitty graphics but lots more content. Anyway.... Most all of this is pure personal opinion, not inherent flaws within the game that needs to be fixed.
Too illustrate.. (incoming wall of text.)
1. I for one, do NOT want an AH, it regulates the economy too tight, and making a decent buck becomes next to impossible without high level crafts capable of HQing items.. Sure you can farm items to make money, but nearly every NM drop worth the time spent on camping it, is already over camped as is, and it demands a high price for two reasons, and two reasons only, the drop is rare or the mob it drops from is very difficult, if not impossible to kill by a single person or a couple of people, so even IF you do get claim, you're facing one of two options..
Profits will be split, and the profit a single person makes is drastically dropped, or, you stand a very small chance of actually getting the drop, and if you don't, congratulations! You just wasted 3+ hours of your life for nothing. The other method of making money is farming items.. Again, either the drop rate isn't that great, or the mobs are heavily camped.. Then as if that wasn't enough, you have to compete with constant undercutting.
With an AH you are left with only a handful of ways to make money, though people here seem reluctant to admit that "do your research there are plenty of ways to make money" to that I say, ***. I have done my research, finding a decent way to make gil is far more difficult then it should be. However with the system that's in place now, it's much easier to make an honest buck..
2. I can't argue with the lack of content, but the lack of content isn't enough for me to agree the game should have stayed in development before release. I'm quite happy with what I have, but I was looking for a change anyways, XI is stale and dead to me. I desperately needed a new time sink and I found one..
3. Have you played retail? Menu lag has been greatly improved upon.. It's not lightning responsive like in XI, but it's no where near as bad as it used to be.
4. XI's crafting system blows donkey balls. You have 0 control, it lacks any depth what so ever, it's monotonous and tiring, boring as ***, you never forget the fact you're simply grinding through materials, and it's completely based on luck. XIV's system draws you in, lets you feel like you're actually doing something.. There's still luck involved, but choosing which synthesis method to use DOES make a difference on the outcome of the synth overall.
5. I dunno about you, but I much prefer being able to explore or get to where I'm going without having to look at a black screen every 2 damned minutes. Are you seriously going to sit there and tell me that XI's zone system is better then the openness XIV offers? I think you're just struggling to throw in extra 'negative' points.
6. If it's not your cup of tea, that's fine.. But what did you do in XI? It's not like XI at this point really offers much more to do then grind crafting or levels either (for most players anyways)... Most everyone has done the majority of missions available, and they've completed pretty much every quest they need done, there's the rare occasion you find yourself needing to do a quest you haven't yet done, but that happens 1-2 times a month TOPS, unless you're new to the game/you're building up a new character.
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By Siren.Enternius 2010-09-28 15:30:07
I believe it's also worth noting that even now, in a completely new game that's not been officially released, the music still vastly kicks the *** of anything ever in FFXI.
That's not an opinion. That's a fact.
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By Shiva.Darkshade 2010-09-28 15:38:50
You not making gil doesn't bother me, I don't want to have to search 15 different wards for that one item I want, especially if I'm crafting. The current system in place is many steps below any type of searching system and only serves as a further time sink and waste of time for those looking to buy. We need an AH or at the very least a way to sort through the bazaars. The districts should be named after what components you are allowed in a certain district etc. If we don't get an AH or some improvement to searching bazaars at some point I won't be playing this game for very much longer.
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-09-28 15:39:05
i respect slip's opinion! it's tight.
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By Shiva.Darkshade 2010-09-28 15:40:57
Siren.Enternius said: I believe it's also worth noting that even now, in a completely new game that's not been officially released, the music still vastly kicks the *** of anything ever in FFXI.
That's not an opinion. That's a fact. I like the music, it's definitley a different style than XI's. But that said I still like a lot of XIs music, specifically a lot of the battle themes. Who is to say I can't appreciate both?
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By Valefor.Slipispsycho 2010-09-28 15:46:45
Shiva.Darkshade said: You not making gil doesn't bother me, I don't want to have to search 15 different wards for that one item I want, especially if I'm crafting. The current system in place is many steps below any type of searching system and only serves as a further time sink and waste of time for those looking to buy. We need an AH or at the very least a way to sort through the bazaars. The districts should be named after what components you are allowed in a certain district etc. If we don't get an AH or some improvement to searching bazaars at some point I won't be playing this game for very much longer. No system is perfect, if I have to deal with a flawed system, I'd rather deal with one that leaves room for people to actually make gil without wasting 3-4 hours of their time for all of 20k.. I mean it's just as easy for me to say that you having to search through 15 different wards doesn't bother me. It doesn't make either of our opinions more valid or justified. I'm not sure how far you've gotten into crafting, but it stops being cheap pretty quickly, if the AH system present in XI is introduced, you won't be doing very much crafting to begin with, so having to search bazaars becomes irrelevant, you'll face a new issue, one that is currently rampant in XI.
I'm not saying I want the system to stay as is, I'm just totally against an AH, and I'll freely admit that all of what I said was opinion.
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By Shiva.Darkshade 2010-09-28 15:49:34
I understand, but I feel they're still be many ways to make gil even with an AH the way the game feels setup. All this bazaar system does is slow down any real economy being established.
By Zekko 2010-09-28 15:50:17
Valefor.Slipispsycho said: Zekko said: Leviathan.Yokhai said: Zekko said: Leviathan.Yokhai said: Zekko said: Meh. They had their chances tio make this a good game and they have failed. No amount of defeneidng their decisions imo will make this game any better or make me feel any better playing it. Idc if its an mmo and they change over time. It shouldnt have been released full stop. The game is going down the Age of Conan route already
what chances? do you have ANY idea what it takes to produce an MMO?
Do you see any non cash rich company making MMO's at top tier quality on release, oh while running a completely different one?
What they have put out is decent, and it better get better. But they need the customer support to do so. Hopefully SE will learn from their mistakes, and that's what people are playing for.
I have a slight idea yes. I know it will get better, but for the moment the game sucks for me. You would of thought SE learned form their mistakes of running a 7 year old MMO. But obviously not.
Well it depends on what mistakes you are talking about. The point of this thread is for you to outline what you see missing. Please enlighten us.
1) AH. After XI why would they not put an AH? I mean everyone wants one, are they not listening? 75% of the playerbase want an AH
2) Guildleve Timers. Im sorry the game doesnt have enough content so it is purposly slowing us down. Wouldnt of been a problem if they had kept the game in development til next year
3) Lag. Menu lag is bad from what i hear. This is supposed to be the real game not Beta(even though its pretty much beta 5) There shouldnt really be menu lag on the retail...Cmon.
4) Crafting. Cmon. XI's crafting was perfect. I pick the items i want to use too craft and then click OK. What is with all this menu stuff? Why does it take 1 - 2 minutes setting up to craft clicking through a dozen menus.
5) Zones. Why are there only 3 giant zones to level in? Obviously theres more areas to explore. But i prefer XI's system of moving area to area. From what i gathered theres level 1 - 40 mobs in the starter areas. Obviously farther in.
6) (This is more my opinion)Boring. The game is boring, bland and empty. Mobs arent really in large numbers, after you do the Leves and starter Quests theres literally nothing to do besides Craft or Grind which is boring. I'd prefer at least a Quest system where i talk to people and receive Quests. Guildleves suck. Also even for a new game there's only a few starter Quests? o.O
I dont mind bugs here and there because of it being new but there's just some extremely poor designs done here. The game is a major step back from XI. Inb4 XI has been out for 7 years, they have had time to learn from the playerbase and understand what made XI good. I would have prefered XI v2 with shitty graphics but lots more content. Anyway.... Most all of this is pure personal opinion, not inherent flaws within the game that needs to be fixed.
Too illustrate.. (incoming wall of text.)
1. I for one, do NOT want an AH, it regulates the economy too tight, and making a decent buck becomes next to impossible without high level crafts capable of HQing items.. Sure you can farm items to make money, but nearly every NM drop worth the time spent on camping it, is already over camped as is, and it demands a high price for two reasons, and two reasons only, the drop is rare or the mob it drops from is very difficult, if not impossible to kill by a single person or a couple of people, so even IF you do get claim, you're facing one of two options..
Profits will be split, and the profit a single person makes is drastically dropped, or, you stand a very small chance of actually getting the drop, and if you don't, congratulations! You just wasted 3+ hours of your life for nothing. The other method of making money is farming items.. Again, either the drop rate isn't that great, or the mobs are heavily camped.. Then as if that wasn't enough, you have to compete with constant undercutting.
With an AH you are left with only a handful of ways to make money, though people here seem reluctant to admit that "do your research there are plenty of ways to make money" to that I say, ***. I have done my research, finding a decent way to make gil is far more difficult then it should be. However with the system that's in place now, it's much easier to make an honest buck..
2. I can't argue with the lack of content, but the lack of content isn't enough for me to agree the game should have stayed in development before release. I'm quite happy with what I have, but I was looking for a change anyways, XI is stale and dead to me. I desperately needed a new time sink and I found one..
3. Have you played retail? Menu lag has been greatly improved upon.. It's not lightning responsive like in XI, but it's no where near as bad as it used to be.
4. XI's crafting system blows donkey balls. You have 0 control, it lacks any depth what so ever, it's monotonous and tiring, boring as ***, you never forget the fact you're simply grinding through materials, and it's completely based on luck. XIV's system draws you in, lets you feel like you're actually doing something.. There's still luck involved, but choosing which synthesis method to use DOES make a difference on the outcome of the synth overall.
5. I dunno about you, but I much prefer being able to explore or get to where I'm going without having to look at a black screen every 2 damned minutes. Are you seriously going to sit there and tell me that XI's zone system is better then the openness XIV offers? I think you're just struggling to throw in extra 'negative' points.
6. If it's not your cup of tea, that's fine.. But what did you do in XI? It's not like XI at this point really offers much more to do then grind crafting or levels either (for most players anyways)... Most everyone has done the majority of missions available, and they've completed pretty much every quest they need done, there's the rare occasion you find yourself needing to do a quest you haven't yet done, but that happens 1-2 times a month TOPS, unless you're new to the game/you're building up a new character.
Well tbh everything is opinion. I hate XIV and personally think its gonna flop.
Siren.Enternius said: I believe it's also worth noting that even now, in a completely new game that's not been officially released, the music still vastly kicks the *** of anything ever in FFXI.
That's not an opinion. That's a fact.
Lol if thats a fact then the moon is made out of cheese is also fact
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2010-09-28 15:56:56
Bismarck.Dracondria said: Let's hope they improve their customer service. So I used their email support through the SE account site three times during this region-locking stuff, and they were immensely helpful. I always got a reply back in 24-48 hours, and the reply was polite and actually typed by a person. No form letter responses. In the end there was no way for them to help me, but I understand why.
That's just me though. And it was the JP support site. So your mileage may vary.
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2010-09-28 16:00:01
Sylph.Tibze said: HOLY SHEET BALLS!! I could of swore I was watching the credits for Iron Man 2 or a similar type film... 0.0; People have no idea how expensive and massive these games are to make, now. The art teams alone now number in the hundreds. And keep in mind, these are all people making good money, working for years and years. Game budgets are often higher than movie budgets these days.
It's pretty typical for a AAA MMO to be $100 million or more to get out the door now, and that's not even counting your infrastructure or hosting costs. By comparison, MMO's back around the XI era were around 1/10th of that or less.
It's a different world. The bar for what is a "successful" MMO is much different now. The budgets are just too damn high. They have to do something different, not just release a sequel and appease all the same people.
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-09-28 16:04:38
i always hear jp support is better than the rest.
costs a lot to make a mmmo mostly because of the artwork, it's more realistic now... and more time consuming, also the maintenance and uhh yeah..
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By Sylph.Belmonth 2010-09-28 16:36:28
Phoenix.Darki said: maybe SE is trying to implement another economical system with out an AH? let's give them a chance guys.
I am hearing it's easier to make gil on this game.
You don't want the same inflantation and RMTing and linkshells controlling items right?
I agree, it's less frustrating in a way and actually ruins the RMT inflation and money making, given that auction house and brokers are the main way of doing it.
And it's not even that hard, farm your own mats, craft, etc. top ive made is 400k a day, it varies though on how much people buys.
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2010-09-28 16:40:25
Valefor.Slipispsycho said: Basic economics also follows supply and demand, the supply is going to jump a lot more then the demand is going to, thus the prices are going to drop further (since obviously not everyone that will be joining us is going to be crafting, this is a certainty).
More player = more crafter = more wind needed. I wonder why the demand is supposed to not increase as much as the supply. Wind are needed for most recipes so yeah, can't avoid this.
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By Ramuh.Sagittario 2010-09-28 16:40:38
Check out this guy and his review of FFXIV from the PAX gaming convention, he is great at highlighting pros/cons. Midway down his page.
http://spoonyexperiment.com/page/2/
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By Valefor.Slipispsycho 2010-09-28 16:46:21
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Valefor.Slipispsycho said: Basic economics also follows supply and demand, the supply is going to jump a lot more then the demand is going to, thus the prices are going to drop further (since obviously not everyone that will be joining us is going to be crafting, this is a certainty).
More player = more crafter = more wind needed. I wonder why the demand is supposed to not increase as much as the supply. Wind are needed for most recipes so yeah, can't avoid this. As I said, since not everyone will be crafting that's joining us, the demand won't grow as much as supply, when supply growth overtakes demand growth, prices drop. The only way it'd stay the same is every single person that came to the game started crafting right off the bat, which won't happen.. I'll be shocked if half do it.
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2010-09-28 16:55:07
Valefor.Slipispsycho said: Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Valefor.Slipispsycho said: Basic economics also follows supply and demand, the supply is going to jump a lot more then the demand is going to, thus the prices are going to drop further (since obviously not everyone that will be joining us is going to be crafting, this is a certainty).
More player = more crafter = more wind needed. I wonder why the demand is supposed to not increase as much as the supply. Wind are needed for most recipes so yeah, can't avoid this. As I said, since not everyone will be crafting that's joining us, the demand won't grow as much as supply, when supply growth overtakes demand growth, prices drop. The only way it'd stay the same is every single person that came to the game started crafting right off the bat, which won't happen.. I'll be shocked if half do it.
It's been 5 days only and and people craft like mad lol.
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By Valefor.Slipispsycho 2010-09-28 17:00:58
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Valefor.Slipispsycho said: Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Valefor.Slipispsycho said: Basic economics also follows supply and demand, the supply is going to jump a lot more then the demand is going to, thus the prices are going to drop further (since obviously not everyone that will be joining us is going to be crafting, this is a certainty).
More player = more crafter = more wind needed. I wonder why the demand is supposed to not increase as much as the supply. Wind are needed for most recipes so yeah, can't avoid this. As I said, since not everyone will be crafting that's joining us, the demand won't grow as much as supply, when supply growth overtakes demand growth, prices drop. The only way it'd stay the same is every single person that came to the game started crafting right off the bat, which won't happen.. I'll be shocked if half do it.
It's been 5 days only and and people craft like mad lol. But not everyone.
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By Ramuh.Sagittario 2010-09-28 17:05:39
Just wondering here, but why is the main focus of the game to craft? You don't play mmorpg's to sit down and craft all day to only then have to go and grind aswell, it's just plain boring and unfulfilling. I really don't see FF14 lasting as long as FF11 with the many new rpg's about to hit the market which quite frankly all look like they play better than FF14.
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By Leviathan.Catnipthief 2010-09-28 17:20:55
Ramuh.Sagittario said: Check out this guy and his review of FFXIV from the PAX gaming convention, he is great at highlighting pros/cons. Midway down his page.
http://spoonyexperiment.com/page/2/
sounds more to me all he does is *** and whine because he doesn't get everything handed to him :/
Edit:
Ok, I can't even watch it, I watched like the first minute and he's already pissed me off.
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By Ramuh.Sagittario 2010-09-28 17:24:47
Leviathan.Catnipthief said: Ramuh.Sagittario said: Check out this guy and his review of FFXIV from the PAX gaming convention, he is great at highlighting pros/cons. Midway down his page. http://spoonyexperiment.com/page/2/ sounds more to me all he does is *** and whine because he doesn't get everything handed to him :/ Edit: Ok, I can't even watch it, I watched like the first minute and he's already pissed me off.
Maybe, but he does raise some valid points all the same, especially the combat system, having played the beta I know exactly where he is coming from...
But for sure he should not base his opinions on such a small segment of the game, it was a trial demo after all. The guy is frickin hilarious though you should check out his other reviews, if you get butthurt by him you have no sense of humour.
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By Leviathan.Catnipthief 2010-09-28 17:27:31
Ramuh.Sagittario said: Leviathan.Catnipthief said: Ramuh.Sagittario said: Check out this guy and his review of FFXIV from the PAX gaming convention, he is great at highlighting pros/cons. Midway down his page. http://spoonyexperiment.com/page/2/ sounds more to me all he does is *** and whine because he doesn't get everything handed to him :/ Edit: Ok, I can't even watch it, I watched like the first minute and he's already pissed me off.
Maybe, but he does raise some valid points all the same, especially the combat system, having played the beta I know exactly where he is coming from...
Meh, I dunno, he does have some valid points, but he reacts WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to dramatic about them.
Sounds like he just rushed through it to talk about Guild Wars 2 (Albeit yes it does look pretty and looks good, I can't really say i'm looking forward to it as much, I found the 1st one to be ... kinda boring actually)
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By Sylph.Pwrlessgirl 2010-09-28 17:31:55
Like:
1. Graphics
2. HP regeneration without having to /heal for 5 minutes
Dislike:
1. No MP regeneration or a comand to /heal (gotto go to back to the crystal to refresh)
Hate:
1 NO AUCTION HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2. Cheking people's bazaar takes longer than in ff11
Wish:
To have a RETAINER HOUSE with:
Retainer Safe
Retainer Locker
Retainer Storage
regards,
PWR!
Power Nexus - Figaro
Power Cookie - Figaro
Power Feline - Trabia
Power Less - Trabia
Asura.Kowen
サーバ: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 470
By Asura.Kowen 2010-09-28 17:35:14
Leviathan.Catnipthief said: Ramuh.Sagittario said: Leviathan.Catnipthief said: Ramuh.Sagittario said: Check out this guy and his review of FFXIV from the PAX gaming convention, he is great at highlighting pros/cons. Midway down his page. http://spoonyexperiment.com/page/2/ sounds more to me all he does is *** and whine because he doesn't get everything handed to him :/ Edit: Ok, I can't even watch it, I watched like the first minute and he's already pissed me off.
Maybe, but he does raise some valid points all the same, especially the combat system, having played the beta I know exactly where he is coming from...
Meh, I dunno, he does have some valid points, but he reacts WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to dramatic about them.
Sounds like he just rushed through it to talk about Guild Wars 2 (Albeit yes it does look pretty and looks good, I can't really say i'm looking forward to it as much, I found the 1st one to be ... kinda boring actually)
He's pretty dead on about a lot of things though.
SE is horrible with public relations and advertising(especially in the west). The way they did the XIV booth really is embarrassing when you compare it to how GW2's was setup.
Leviathan.Yokhai
サーバ: Leviathan
Game: FFXI
Posts: 839
By Leviathan.Yokhai 2010-09-28 17:39:56
Ramuh.Sagittario said: Just wondering here, but why is the main focus of the game to craft? You don't play mmorpg's to sit down and craft all day to only then have to go and grind aswell, it's just plain boring and unfulfilling. I really don't see FF14 lasting as long as FF11 with the many new rpg's about to hit the market which quite frankly all look like they play better than FF14.
Have you played them all?
FFXI - .....yeah
EvE - AWESOME game...shity shity shity interface.
WoW- Not gonna touch this
GW - Great game, soon to be updated
EQ/2 - meh
Age's games - they all sucked
Cities - very fun games, mostly giant chat rooms though because one wants to play the game the way it was ment to be played
LoTR - Decent but lacking any true immersion that it should have.
Aion - hugely split between "this game is good" and OMGWTFBBQ MY EYES!!!!
Up Comming -
Old Republic - this one is promising
GW2 - already pre ordered it
Lego universe - could be good if they don't but rape it like they are known to do
DC Online - *** THAT ***!!!
So yeah there is the break down of the current AAA and AA MMO market. If i missed anything let me know
Phoenix.Darki
サーバ: Phoenix
Game: FFXI
Posts: 9949
By Phoenix.Darki 2010-09-28 17:53:05
aion sucks because it never gets updates lol and its a grind fest. ffsiv or ffxi doesnt compae to aions grind fest
サーバ: Valefor
Game: FFXI
Posts: 14155
By Valefor.Slipispsycho 2010-09-28 17:56:41
Leviathan.Catnipthief said: Ramuh.Sagittario said: Check out this guy and his review of FFXIV from the PAX gaming convention, he is great at highlighting pros/cons. Midway down his page.
http://spoonyexperiment.com/page/2/
sounds more to me all he does is *** and whine because he doesn't get everything handed to him :/
Edit:
Ok, I can't even watch it, I watched like the first minute and he's already pissed me off. Yeah I took Catnip's reply as a challenge to sit through it.. I seriously wanna kick his face in.. I don't like people who over dramatize everything like that >.<
サーバ: Ramuh
Game: FFXI
Posts: 16303
By Ramuh.Sagittario 2010-09-28 17:57:02
Leviathan.Yokhai said: Ramuh.Sagittario said: Just wondering here, but why is the main focus of the game to craft? You don't play mmorpg's to sit down and craft all day to only then have to go and grind aswell, it's just plain boring and unfulfilling. I really don't see FF14 lasting as long as FF11 with the many new rpg's about to hit the market which quite frankly all look like they play better than FF14. Have you played them all? FFXI - .....yeah EvE - AWESOME game...shity shity shity interface. WoW- Not gonna touch this GW - Great game, soon to be updated EQ/2 - meh Age's games - they all sucked Cities - very fun games, mostly giant chat rooms though because one wants to play the game the way it was ment to be played LoTR - Decent but lacking any true immersion that it should have. Aion - hugely split between "this game is good" and OMGWTFBBQ MY EYES!!!! Up Comming - Old Republic - this one is promising GW2 - already pre ordered it Lego universe - could be good if they don't but rape it like they are known to do DC Online - *** THAT ***!!! So yeah there is the break down of the current AAA and AA MMO market. If i missed anything let me know
I have not actually played all the mmorpg you have listed there, I meant the competition that FF14 will face is going to make the fight for players more difficult especially if SE have failed to come up with a good game. The minor MMOs like LOTR, EVE, EQ, PWI etc have a relatively minor impact on proceedings, it's the big players like FF11/14, WOW that take the big slice of the MMO cake, with GW in between.
Now if GW2 is as good as it looks in that review (bear in mind it was simply presented properly with exciting scenes and features whereas FF14 was the opposite so it's impossible to make a fair comparison at this point) it could become a major player and rival Final Fantasy in terms of players, especially if it is a far better game and it is free. The same goes for Star Wars, I am going to try it just because I am a huge Star Wars fan and an even bigger fan of the KOTOR games from which it is based. Now if they make a good game they will amass a huge player base simply because of the cult phenomenon surrounding Star Wars, I would estimate with complete confidence that it will become the biggest MMORPG going behind WOW which will never be surpassed in the near future for sure.
So yeh in a nutshell FF14 is at serious risk of falling by the wayside unless things change.
So I just wan't to start a Forum about the likes and dislikes....
Please post as follow <3
*(Likes):
New Fighting System (No Afk Auto-attack MNKs!)
Crafting is more fun
Mining is more fun
Graphics are beautifull
*(Dis-likes):
Still can't F@#$% Swim.
Still Can't Jump
Please no paragraphs, just list <3333
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