Will PLD Be Useful Again At Lvl 99?

Why would anyone be blocking anything if /nin? You're doing it wrong :/

Clearly they meant Guard!

If you're being hit in melee at all you're doing it wrong! :/

I make my MNK go /WAR to some easy ***D:

Then you really didn't need a tank, u needed a DD <3

Whats a DD? PLD?

You seriously have been privy to some shitty PLD's then. Flash + Atonement only would accurately describe your experiences. I've never had a personal experience with a Paladin that suggest the job is anything other than a blessing to the group. I've SEEN shitty Paladins in other LS's, but I can't see their logs or talk to them and ask them how much their disability check is, since you have to be profoundly HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE to not be able to solidify hate on yourself as a Paladin.

Addendum; My LSs apoc plays like 4 hours a week. What a jerk!

You realize that once you cap hate it comes down to who can keep it closest to the cap? Cure cheating is not MP effective and flash has a 22 second recast timer. This makes melee A LOT better at keeping hate capped.

I would think, if you are a good PLD, you prob have a good DD job that would do the job better :P

Well, MP is unlimited in Abyssea, but then you're also restricting DD capabilities using Refresh atmas. And wasting time casting cures etc etc

I played PLD for 6 years as the main tank in every LS I joined. I swapped to drk about 2 years ago and hardly played pld since.

just wait lvl 110 Hnms, and plps will remember only plds can survive when they all on the ground...

at 75 cap I tanked these as DRK:

Genbu
Byakko
Sieryu
Suzaku
Aspid
King Behemoth
Fafnir
Nidhogg
Tiamat
Khimaira
Cerberus
Hydra
Tinnin
Tyger
Odin
all chariots
most tier III ZNMs
Jailer of Hope
Proto-Ultima
Proto-Omega

I think DD tanks will be just fine sir. Hell, half of those were without apoc.

I'll kneel your whm!

what is that in english?

Really depends on how that HNM is built. If its really beefy in def/dt then pld might be an option, however with SE bringing out lots of mdt/pdt gear thats available to most jobs, its probably better to tank with DDs if damage on the HNM isnt weak.

Thats really where one of the issues is, DDs take as much damage as plds do, because of the amount of gear available to DDs, melees can reduce as much damage as pld can if not more bar shield blocks(we know how reliable those are) and sentinel. Same can be said for magic damage aswell(outside of aegis). Pld has its own curing power which is what it may have going for it for excusing the damage it takes.

Next up is damage, with beefy HNMs it was *accepted* to have plds tank because of atonement allowing them to provide damage esp with any group that was low manning it and having extra buffs to DDs wasnt happening(with buffs sam or drk could tank fine*probably w/o aswell). Sadly now that just isnt happening. With all the atma boosts, its beefed up DDs and hurt pld more than anything. Even if a pld is taking less damage and keeping hate w/e. Its not dealing or providing enough damage that other jobs can do, and tank *reasonably* well. And thats really going to be the achilles(sp) heel for pld, its not dishing out enough damage to help the group.

If groups like having a pld for their events, I dont see why its a problem with ppl b/c its their group and it makes them feel comfortable. I would give w/e groups that like having a pld around for a safety net to pair their pld with a sam or drk to co tank. And just cure bomb them while they tank. NMs have hate reset moves so youll be tanking soon enough on some. Personally my group does x2 mnk tanks and its just smoother and faster.

There will always be a spot for a pld in any good group, but that good group will also know when that spot for a pld is needed.

kneel
kneel is an emote, its funny to do in game, but maybe such HLs player like you dont know...

SO you're kneeling to the whm? I assume that means that you have to be a good whm to heal a drk? You do realize that drk takes less damage than pld right? Cause drk has stun which is pretty damn effective on most mobs, and you can also macro in -physical damage just like pld.

MP is a non-issue with RefreshII and Ballad III. Bring up more valid points please.

Paladin is most effective on fights where you do not want to feed the target TP, such as the Caturea battles. I'm in no way at all saying PLD is necessary, but neither is DRK, Neither is RDM, and Neither is BRD, I'm saying that, despite all the haters, PLD is still useful.


I issue you a challenge though, since your list is very underwhelming.

Tank these on DRK.

Yaanei
Yilbegan(Especially now that it spams the ***out of Chaos Blast)
Orcus
Dawon
Warbler

Why do people think PLD is the sturdiest job and all others are weak defensively?


Don't want to feed TP => don't bring melee => use mages => RDM.

Very underwhelming? its over 90% of end game mobs lol pre 75, or did you not read that part?

Why the *** would you give PLD ballad III? Double marches only, even when I tanked as pld I would be PISSED if I didnt get the double marches. No matter how you arguing it hitting a mob and WS is more hate effective than cure cheating, your point is invalid.
If you can't melee then why wouldnt you use blu instead of pld?

I agree pld is not 100% useless, you can choose to use anything. I can choose to nuke on my drk instead of bringing a blm. I can choose to use PLD as a main healer. If we talk about what is most effective and what is most valuable for any situation then PLD is very clearly out-dated for almost everything.

Defense Bonus V!

No wonder why everyone thinks PLD sucks...

I still stand by my position that I've yet to see any compelling evidence showing PLD as an inferior tank in any situation, I firmly believe that there is just a punishing lack of competent Paladins outside of my linkshell.


As for Ballad III, Haste Recast caps at 50%, it's just how we do things, it works, we kill as fast, and usually faster than listed times while still using lolPLD. And I'm arguing as a Third-party here, go look at my job levels, I don't even have the *** Paladin Job Unlocked. These are all just First-Hand witnessed accounts based on the prowess of the Paladins I've had the privilege of working with.


Game's over when VI comes out! 66 Def omg.

I Just believe Paladin has the Best Damage Mitigation/Hate Engine combo from what I've seen. DRK/NIN is a more powerful Hate Engine, and BLU is probably the best Damage Mitigation (Never had the honor of working with a good BLU tank though, so just conjecture on my part)



Just go give those mobs I listed a Try, those are the only things in the game I would even regard needing a dedicated tank at all. One exception might be Orcus now... Haven't tried since 75 cap, but *** that thing is irritating to no end on DRK.

Sorry if you guys use ballad over march they arent intelligent tanks. (the exception here is when you arent meleeing). The hate from joytoy and atonement is > ballad III spam. Yes, there are a lot of HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE plds out there. I've been main tanking years before atonement was released, I'm fairly sure I know how to generate and cap hate. Like I said before once you're at the cap the only thing that matters is the recap rate.

THose mobs are moot. If you blink tank them then any job can tank them. The only variable would be how much healing it would take.

This is true XD If Captain can punch it, I'm pretty much not going to be tanking it. If he can't, it's usually something we'll manaburn so there's no designated tank. Not a lot of situations where a disengaged tank is the way to go these days.

ITT: Bloodtanking is all I'm getting.

You're also talking about a relic MNK, here. Not every LS or group has the privelage of having relics...

You are vastly overrating the difference a relic makes to a MNK's tanking ability. Everything we do with Captain could be done with a nonrelic MNK.

Well maybe you should work on that. We also have an Apoc DRK. Half my LS has relics WHO DA THUNK IT?

And yeah, you definitely don't need Spharai at all. It does help a lot, but MNK is grossly overpowered regardless.